Hi everybody,
All the points about the necessity of having a presence on
mainstream media platforms, however "impure" they might be, make good
sense. However, I will not be joining the Google group, in large part
because I feel that Victor has gone about promoting the use of this
thing in an extremely ham-handed and insensitive fashion, and has
refused to respond to any of the thoughtful concerns that have been
raised about his approach. Indeed, as I discovered when I emailed him,
he may not even be getting any of the replies from this list (or anyone
else), because he has some sort of email filtering service that requires
anyone who wants to send him an email to enter a capatcha. And the
insistent tone of his continued advertisements certainly suggest that he
has not in fact read any of the emails that have raised concerns about
his suggestions.
To me, this indicates that Victor understands this list to be a
unidirectional broadcast medium that people can use to promote their
personal projects, rather than a bi-directional forum for open
discourse. In my opinion, such an attitude is fundamentally
inconsistent with the basic principles of free culture - and is
definitely not the marker of someone who I want to see leading or in any
way setting the direction for Free Culture at large.
Just my two cents,
Jordan
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On 04/27/2013 05:50 AM, Mark O' Cúlar wrote:
> Also Wordpress / Buddypress... people seem to forget that.. It's actively
> developed and can have many uses in one. (I agree with not reinventing the
> wheel).
>
> Anyways, I thought I would (finally) chime in on something on this list. I
> have been a FC advocate, since about, um, 2005 or so. I can't remember
> exactly. Not everything I use is FLOSS however and I would say, regrettably,
> these tools are the minority in my box. I support the overarching ideals even
> as they become more defined / redefined.
>
> I do think it is important to have a strong presence in these walled-gardens,
> mainly for the purpose of getting the information out there. This will
> attract new people and people who already support the ideals but would not
> necessarily buy the t-shirt. I think it is a mistake to isolate yourselves
> into an exclusive group. I have seen the negative consequences of this too
> many times in realms of activism on other issues. FC represents something
> open and so should be as visible as the blue in the sky on a good day. It
> should be accessible to all, wherever they may me. It is no big deal to link
> the important stuff into Diaspora, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Stumpleupon,
> wherever.. The numbers may be small but it important to have the presence...
>
> Actually it seems that plenty of people 'the fuck use' Google+ and more will
> still as they (perhaps by having their arms twisted by big G) expand their
> Gmail and use Hangouts etc. This is happening, whether you like it or not.
> Would you rather be on the outside pissing in or... well...
>
> So with that I am going to join that Google+ group.
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
> On 27 Apr 2013, at 12:47, Max Shinn wrote:
>
>>> Profile pages with contact information and whether or not people can
>>> come
>>>> crash at your house - that's all it needs to start. Shouldn't take
>>>> more than a weekend to make. Can we raise $500-1K to get it built?
>> We should consider not reinventing the wheel. There are several
>> options already available for something like this, and our use/advocacy
>> for them could significantly benefit their projects.
>>
>> If we want a distributed social networking service, we obviously have
>> Diaspora. However, before Diaspora, there already existed several
>> efforts. The best one (in my opinion) is Friendica (formally
>> Friendika), which has a surprising number of features considering
>> nobody seems to know about it. This would also federate with
>> MediaGoblin, a new federated media sharing software.
>>
>> Another is the AppleSeed project, which is apparently no longer
>> developed but the code is still there
>> (https://github.com/appleseedproj/appleseed). If someone wanted to
>> pick up Appleseed, it's quite far along, and if I remember correctly
>> also has very clean code. I think socialP2P is also abandoned
>> (http://gitorious.org/social-p2p/core) and never made it nearly as far
>> along, but they had a very interesting concept. If we don't want
>> federation, there are tons of options.
>>
>> However, before we go put effort into making *yet another* piece of
>> social software, we need to consider that using an existing piece of
>> software could be beneficial for both the free culture community the
>> entire open web. Think of what having a major Friendica node would do.
>>
>> -Max
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