Hi Lex, all,

thank you for bringing this up. In my reply I am not answering to your 
questions directly but I am offering our experience at the University of 
Edinburgh, where we are in the same process, perhaps at an earlier stage.

Edinburgh is one of the bases of the Software Sustainability Institute (SSI), 
which is the UK coordinator of the Carpentries. Edinburgh is home to several 
Carpentries instructors and generally very rich in resources, both human and of 
other kind, which can be useful for scaling up the Carpentries in the 
institution. We observe a general demand for Carpentries training at all levels 
of UoE: undergraduates, postgraduates, PI’s, staff, librarians, all show 
enthusiasm when offered the possibility of attending these workshops or 
collaborating in some capacity.

Clearly there is a ‘market’ and there are resources. What is missing is 
coordination, and this is what we are trying to achieve. Like Lex says: ‘making 
Carpentry workshops a core offering across departments’.

We have just started and, despite the general sense of optimism, we are aware 
that the difficult part will be to devise a plan for the scalability and 
sustainability of this endeavour.

The most immediate difficulty, in my opinion, is sourcing people wanting to 
help in all roles, as instructors, helpers, organisers. There is always a 
degree of voluntary participation in Carpentries workshop, so, in order to 
ensure a longer term stability of the training, the plan needs to be endorsed 
and supported by Faculty/College (or whatever structure is in charge).

Enabling students to earn credit from Carpentries workshop is something we are 
not considering yet (would assessment come into play in this case, or, would an 
attendance certificate suffice?).

In the UK there are a few Universities offering regular Carpentries. It might 
be interesting to gather together (including any other non UK institution 
interested in this) for a one day workshop and discuss our respective 
experiences, problems and solutions.

Regards,
Giacomo Peru

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On 3 Oct 2018, at 08:55, Lex Nederbragt 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hi community,

At the University of Oslo (UiO), we have an ongoing process that will result in 
a Masterplan for IT at the university. I am part of the task force responsible 
for writing this plan, and have been tasked to contribute to a section on 
skills training. We have a large Carpentries effort at UiO, regularly teaching 
one-day workshops with one lesson of the Software Carpentry stack each 
(including make and testing/continuous integration), very popular two-day R 
(tidyverse), and occasionally Data or Library Carpentry lessons or full two-day 
workshops. Many at UiO are now seeing the need to offer this kind of skills 
training more widely and organized as formal course offerings, potentially with 
students earning credit.

I am very happy with this development as it is a recognition of the skill gap 
that exists amongst researchers, and a testament to the success of The 
Carpentries and our local effort in filling it. However, I also worry that we 
may lose something in the process of scaling up offering these workshops.

By making Carpentry workshops a core offering across departments, with students 
able to earn credit from them, my fear is that the spirit of the volunteer 
effort gets lost or may become reduced. Making our workshops into required 
courses may change (reduce) the motivation for learners and instructors.

So here are my questions to you:

  ⁃    Have other universities made the same move, or are they planning this, 
and if so, how are they organizing this effort?
  ⁃    How to keep learners motivated if they feel they are required to take a 
Carpentries workshops?
  ⁃    How to keep the quality of instruction, and instructor motivation, high, 
if workshops become organized like regular courses?

I’d appreciate any suggestions that will help us become succesful scaling up 
our Carpentries skills training!

Regards,

Lex Nederbragt



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