Kent,
Thank you for a very informative reply.
My interest is a desktop. Were there seismic work I'd be interested in a
server. Actually, a lot of them. But that world is dominated now by Linux and
with almost no revenue in the seismic industry, that won't change. Because most
scientists can't write portable code, moving a single executable to another
platform is a 6 figure undertaking. In the 90's Landmark claimed they were
porting SeisWorks, a $100k/seat product, to NT. I laughed. It never happened,
but they did manage to move it from SunOS to Linux and that killed a several
billion dollar segment of Sun's customer base. Once SeisWorks ran on Linux and
x86 hardware, the industry bought IBM systems for 10% of the cost of an Ultra
60. Eventually Sun brought out the Ultra 20 and Ultra 40, but by then it was
too late. It was no longer locked to SunOS on SPARC.
My desire is for a simple method for fixing stray errors I encounter as I use
OI. I've got lots of old disk drives, so I can set up a OmniOS system, swap
disks and boot it when I run into an issue with the non-GUI programs and ssh
into the system to work on it. And quite frankly, I don't like working on GUI
programs anyway. So I have no inclination to fix those.
Thank you for suggesting a satisfactory alternative.
Have Fun!
Reg
On Saturday, April 10, 2021, 05:35:11 PM CDT, Kent Watsen
<[email protected]> wrote:
[removing “developer" and "oi-dev” lists]
Hi Reg,
Regarding compiling, my understanding it that these two docs on the omnios.org
are NOT holdovers from the legacy OmniOS wiki (i.e., they’re accessed from the
“site map” located at the top-left of every page on the omnios.org site:
Building illumos-gate on OmniOS: - https://omnios.org/dev/gate.html
Building OmniOS: - https://omnios.org/dev/build_instructions.html
I haven’t built OmniOS in about a decade (when I patched the kernel to run KVM
on AMD), but I did build Illumos-gate per the instructions above a few days
ago. Notably, the instructions were flawless and the build completed
successfully on first try. Hats off to the devs for that! :)
Regarding time to build on various platforms, below is the nightly-build output
email that was sent to root@localhost when I built Illumos-gate on a machine
with 16 cores (32 threads) and 64 GB of memory. That said, the ZFS filesystem
was on a cheap M.2 disk that I’ve since discovered is rather slow. I now have
a faster ZFS pool, but it’s currently occupied running burn-in tests for me to
do a build now.
Since `format` is in the Illumos base, I recommend you take Dan’s suggestion on
OmniOS and Illumos-gate. I’m unsure if OmniOS can run in an OI zone, but it
could definitely run in a VM if needed. In either case, the compiled binary
can be copied to your OI system (assuming same arch) and patches sent upstream.
Regarding no response, I wanted to but, like many here, I suspect (and doubly
so since you didn’t get a responses before), I use OmniOS (not OI) and I have
no interest in GUIs on my servers, unless you count `tmux` as a GUI, as I’m
completely addicted to it...I even run it fullscreen on my Mac OS desktops ;).
Below is the nighty-build email mentioned above.
K.
==== Nightly distributed build started: Mon Apr 5 10:57:54 EDT 2021 ====
==== Nightly distributed build
completed: Mon Apr 5 11:21:24 EDT 2021 ====
==== Total build time ====
real 0:23:30
==== Build environment ====
/usr/bin/uname
SunOS san2 5.11 omnios-r151036-de483383c0 i86pc i386 i86pc
[106/1860]
/opt/onbld/bin/i386/dmake
dmake: illumos make
number of concurrent jobs = 34
cw version 5.0
primary: /opt/gcc-7/bin/gcc
gcc (OmniOS 151036/7.5.0-il-1) 7.5.0
Copyright (C) 2017 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
shadow: /opt/gcc-4.4.4/bin/gcc
gcc (GCC) 4.4.4
Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
shadow:
/build/illumos-gate/usr/src/tools/proto/root_i386-nd/opt/onbld/bin/i386/smatch
0.6.1-rc1-il-5
/usr/jdk/openjdk11.0/bin/javac
openjdk full version "11.0.10+9-omnios-151036"
/usr/bin/openssl
OpenSSL 1.1.1j 16 Feb 2021
API_COMPAT=0x10000000L
/usr/bin/as
as: Sun Compiler Common 12 SunOS_i386 snv_121 08/03/2009
/usr/ccs/bin/ld
ld: Software Generation Utilities - Solaris Link Editors: 5.11-1.1763 (illumos)
Build project: user.root
Build taskid: 76
==== Nightly argument issues ====
==== Build version ====
master-0-g867228adfb
==== Make clobber ERRORS ====
==== Make tools clobber ERRORS ====
==== Bootstrap build errors ====
==== Tools build errors ====
==== Build errors (non-DEBUG) ====
==== Build warnings (non-DEBUG) ====
==== Elapsed build time (non-DEBUG) ====
real 10:31.1
user 2:56:55.3
sys 46:43.7
==== Build noise differences (non-DEBUG) ====
==== package build errors (non-DEBUG) ====
==== Build errors (DEBUG) ====
==== Build warnings (DEBUG) ====
==== Elapsed build time (DEBUG) ====
real 5:22.7
user 1:41:54.3
sys 23:41.5
==== Build noise differences (DEBUG) ====
==== package build errors (DEBUG) ====
==== Validating manifests against proto area ====
==== Check versioning and ABI information ====
==== Check ELF runtime attributes ====
==== Diff ELF runtime attributes (since last build) ====
==== cstyle/hdrchk errors ====
==== Find core files ====
==== Check lists of files ====
==== Impact on file permissions ====
==== Linting packages ====
On Apr 10, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Reginald Beardsley via illumos-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for the response. I use OI as my internet access system, so X11 is
essential.
What is a "well provisioned machine"? How many cores, how much DRAM and disk?
Ten years ago a VM for building was a non-starter. What does it take for that?
When I got my first Z400, I configured my Ultra 20 to build Illumos/OI. It took
about a week of work tracking down the correct details, but I eventually got it
to complete the build. But I couldn't find any information about how to boot
it. When I asked on the dev lists I got no response at all. That left a very
bad taste in my mouth.
Since then "we're just a handful of developers" has become a popular refrain on
oi-discuss. The *only* viable solution is to reduce the barriers to
contributing so that the sole barrier is quality of work. Hence my suggestion.
I want to be able to run a fully capable build system as my daily driver so
that if I encounter a bug, I can fix it and send the fix for review and
incorporation. Aside from the format(1m) issues, the beadm(1m) man page output
for "beadm list" does not match the actual output. I see stuff like this all
the time. Rather than file a bug report I'd like to submit a patch file and a
brief explanation.
I don't know how much of an OI user community is left. Many familiar names have
not posted in a very long time.
I recently tried FreeBSD which doesn't supply a windowing system. So I went to
ports and attempted to build X11. It fell over part way through because a
program, "xmlto" IIRC, was missing and despite autotools checking for it, one
of the Makefiles was not generated correctly. I can fix it, but I didn't get
wildly enthusiastic despite having bought the 2nd ed of McKusick et al which
*is* a good read as always has been the case with his books.
I tried a number of FreeBSD distros which include X11 a few years ago, but was
quite unimpressed, mostly because of installation issues.
Reg
On Saturday, April 10, 2021, 10:05:42 AM CDT, Dan McDonald <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Apr 10, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Reginald Beardsley via illumos-developer
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I should like to suggest that providing a turnkey development installation
> that would permit someone like me to compile format(1m) and fix the SEGV
> faults would go a long way towards increasing the number of people supporting
> OI and Illumos.
I'm sorry for missing this. $DAYJOB (which for me is distro SmartOS and more)
can be a bit overwhelming.
Unless you need a native windowing environment, I'd HIGHLY recommend installing
OmniOS on a well-provisioned machine or VM, and installing the "illumos-tools"
metapackage, which SHOULD bring in everything you need to build illumos-omnios
or illumos-gate. I've not used OI in years, but I suspect they might have
illumos-tools or some moral equivalent in their distro as well. And if you
want a native windowing environment OI is your best bet.
Also, since you wish to concentrate on one particular binary, I have an older
(and probably needs updating) blog post on how to do that as well.
Lemme comb here... and please remember most of these posts are years old:
Here's a post on the illumos-tools metapackage, which has stale links but does
contain what should still work as far as building the whole gate in a hurry:
https://kebe.com/blog/?p=467
And here's a post on "developing small" from WAY back, which also probably
needs updating (and honestly "ws" and "bldenv" need to just combine into one
tool), but will help you concentrate on "format" and not have to build the
whole gate every time:
https://kebe.com/blog/?p=449
I'd recommend:
1.) Using OmniOS or OI.
2.) Clone-and-build all of illumos-gate.
3.) Once built, use "ws" or "bldenv /opt/onbld/env/...", enter the gate, and
edit usr/src/cmd/format/... and utter "dmake" in that directory every time you
change things to get quick results.
Hope this helps,
Dan
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