On 06/11/2013 09:25 AM, Arthur Gaer wrote:
To paraphrase Paul Krugman on This Week Sunday: The only people who'd be
surprised this is possible haven't watched a single thriller movie in
the past 20 years.

On the other hand, the American voters may still be surprised at how
much the Fourth Amendment has been folded, spindled and mutilated in the
name of "Protecting Our Freedom".  And we all know how easily such data,
once collected, can be mined for purposes other than the original intent
once it's just sitting there waiting to be explored.

Personally, I think the focus should be on the 'secret court' aspect... I mean, we already knew that secret courts existed... and that should have been abhorrent to anyone who values democracy. But it wasn't. The rest of this naturally flows from that secrecy (and thus lack of accountability.)

But I guess that's largely off topic. We're not a group to effect political change.


Personally? the discussion I'd like to see here on LOPSA is "how does this effect what you should put in your privacy policy or data retention policy?"


that last one is pretty important to me. I've been talking for some time about how I think it should become standard for privacy policies to include some clause about "we will provide some portal where you can access all the data we are keeping about you." - in fact, I think that'd be a reasonable data privacy law; if you have a person's personal information, you must share what personal information you have about that person with the person in question.

but I haven't implemented it yet, for my own customers. Hell, I don't even have an enforced data retention policy (which I think is a huge problem for me.) It's a fair amount of work to go through and verify that I've got everything, I think. But, I think it's worth doing; it's something consumers need to demand.

Of course, if companies get a pass for not including some of the data in that portal, it's not very useful.

This is really what I think we should talk about.
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