No communications delivered through a third party is trusted. All communications on the internet are through a third party. No communications on the internet can be trusted.
Traffic analysis will always be more important than message analysis. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Classic TV is on in the background. Old shows and movies.. > so reference frame of mind. > > I'm not sure how serious he really is about this story. It makes for > popular press and sells advertising. Playing in the background is > "To Dream the Impossible Dream". It helped sell tickets. > > While people are outraged at what is going on, do a search for the > "NSA line eater" and wonder why people are upset about this now. > Monitoring of email!user and usenet is part of cyber-urban folklore. > Now new and improved with even more data. This too is going to pass > and return in 20+ years as yet another outrage on what is being done. > > Calling upon the engineering community to take back the internet > is a little like asking Barney Fife to end gang violence (by himself) > in any large city. It's too few with too limited a view and too little > direct impact on what can be done. I refer to Barney here because he > did have all the best intentions to do the right thing. He just could > never really make that happen. If you prefer Harry Callahan, the > outcome really is still the same. Small impacts as the rest of the > world moves on. Before long things go back to "normal" and you > don't even recall why you were upset. These mythical engineers that > will make this happen need resources that are going to go beyond > that of the current internet scope an capabilites. Again Barney was > limited to 1 bullet by the Sheriff and that couldn't be in the gun. > > While attempting to clean things up, their bosses are going > to put demands and restriction on what they can do and still keep > their job. > > While they are working to "get control and clean things up", the > people with money are going to those with less "scruples" to > provide what is needed to make even more money. Provide new > features that people want and don't think about the side effects. > Do you want spy free, or faster, more enteraining, cheaper, new? > > If it's not the NSA and other 3 letter agencies, then it's "people" > (note companies are people in the US per the supreme court) > like Google, Amazon, Visa, and others collecting as much data > as they can about you to find new and innovative ways of selling > you stuff. Targetted advertising is nothing new. > > There was a story recently that when google went off the air for a > short time, there was a drop of 40% on all internet traffic. They've > got your data and under no obligation to tell you want they are > doing with it. To some degree, try NOT to use their services. If > you do go elsewhere, are they any better? > > While the "telephone records" being collected shock people, there > probably isn't much more of a collection there than the telephone > companies already have. They are just using that data a little > differently in to figure out how to create to charging models > and new opertunites in selling bandwidth to your cellphone. > > If you are going to ask for "trust" in the internet, where do you > care to start to look for it? > > --Gene > > Ed made the following keystrokes: > >In the beginning, the Internet was not for commercial use and even before > >that personal use was a transgression. Today, obviously there are fewer > >rules. > > > > > >On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Guus Snijders <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Op 6 sep. 2013 17:30 schreef "Guus Snijders" <[email protected]> het > >> volgende: > >> > >> > > >> > Op 6 sep. 2013 16:16 schreef "Ski Kacoroski" <[email protected]> > het > >> volgende: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > Saw this today: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying > >> > > > >> > > and I am wondering what folks think of it? > >> > > >> > Not really impressed, slightly disappointed perhaps. > >> > >> After reading it again, i must admit to be curious about the stories > he'll > >> collect/publish. > >> My initial reaction had more to do with the tone than the actual > content > >> of the article. > >> > >> Mvg, Guus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > >> http://lopsa.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > -- Joseph A Kern [email protected]
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