Bringing this back semi-on-topic, we have a similar problem with Verizon peering with my provider in NYC, Cogent. Cogent's peering point with Verizon for the east coast is in Miami. Verizon, thus far, has been totally unwilling to peer with Cogent in Ashburn, VA or in NYC, both of which seem like they would be sensible. So from home, anybody who has Fios has a latency of ~30msec to get into the work VPN. it's not the end of the world, but it is annoying. Even people in NYC most go fios -> NYC -> NYC -> NYC -> IAD -> MIA -> <cogent> -> NYC -> NYC -> work
I'm inclined to believe the L3 propaganda... On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2014, Elijah Wright wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Derek Balling <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> So I VPN'd into work (We have a non-split-tunnel VPN available), and >>> then we >>> can watch it, no problem. It's the same content, being delivered over >>> the >>> same network, only it's encrypted and hidden from FiOS's routers. >>> There's >>> no other explanation, simply, caught red handed. >>> >>> I reject the premise. >>> >>> By VPN'ing into a different network you are -- by definition -- getting >>> traffic to and from Netflix via a different peering-point, presumably one >>> that doesn't have 100s, 1000s, tens of 1000s, of Netflix customers all >>> trying to cross it at the same time. It may be a narrower peering point >>> than >>> the one FIOS is connected to, but it suffers FAR less contention. >>> >> >> I'd go further, even. >> >> By VPN'ing, you've proven that the problem isn't in your last-mile -- >> it's upstream at a peering point, just like Netflix and Level3 and >> others are claiming. >> >> So - you don't know with certainty that the FiOS network (which I >> presume is a limited segment of the totality of network behind >> Verizon's border...) is even part of the problem - it could be at any >> hop upstream from you that isn't also upstream of the place where >> traffic to your VPN concentrator happens to go. >> >> [And speaking of L3 -- what do folks think of the periodic Level3 >> posts about peering and people telling untruths? I regard them as >> propaganda, of a sort -- but it's the kind that doesn't bother me too >> much -- because I love to see other people fight for the truth and for >> underdogs...] >> > > Does it count as porpoganda if it's true? Or is it education? > > Providing real information if valuable. In the most recent exchange, we > got real info from Verizon and from Level3. > > And examples like this showing that changing the routing sidesteps the > points of congestion seem to show that Level3 is telling the truth. > > David Lang > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > >
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