Really liking the discussion here, I think it's as important to understand
the arguments "against" as well as deciding what we (internally) discuss as
"for".

Yes, this author doesn't make very many good points, but I am actually
concerned with how we refute those points.
There are innumerable examples of life-critical software and infrastructure
that specifically meet the requirements of "an explicit responsibility to
public safety and reliability". To imply that all software is just phone
apps, cheapens the entire argument.

But who wouldn't love to receive a signet ring from the Grand Wazzoo of
System Engineers?


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) <
[email protected]> wrote:

> > From: [email protected] [mailto:discuss-
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Joseph Kern
> >
> > I thought this article would be of interest to LOPSA Discuss.
> > Programmers: Stop Calling Yourselves Engineers
>
> There's tons of ignorant shit on the internet. You don't have to pay
> attention to it all. The Atlantic isn't exactly great to begin with, and
> the author of that article Andrew Brookes / Cobis, isn't one of their
> regular writers, and in a quick search, I can't find any other material
> from him/them.
>
> The amount of effort they put into that article is demonstrated by having
> an article about programmers, with a stock photo of a construction person
> looking at some plumbing with a clipboard. They couldn't even be bothered
> to find a stock photo of a person sitting at a computer, or anything.
>
> IMHO, this article has a big-fat "ignore" button on it.
>



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Joseph A Kern
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