Hi all, I step back too. I don't want to rise problems or whatever, and I think that LOC can decide what they think is better, and.... after all its their conference ;-)
I have already clearly stated my point of view, and I have just to add that in Denver the Journal was the same that is proposed for Nottingam (TGIS) and in my opinion publishing 6 months after the conference is not a drama. My little 1 cents.. Maxi but just remind that the conference of Sept. 2013 in my opinion should present work done in 2013 an On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Jeff McKenna <jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com > wrote: > Hi Jo, > > Indeed I fully agree with you. > > There seemed to be some confusion on past vs present. My goal was only > to clear that up. > > I'll step back and let the Academic committee decide on all that. > > -jeff > > > > On 13-01-28 10:59 AM, Jo Cook wrote: > > Hi Jeff and the rest of the list, > > > > I'm speaking from a position of ignorance about this, but surely the > > academic track submission process will need to change from year to year > > depending on the journal that papers are to be submitted to? Surely the > > process is driven mainly by the demands and deadlines of the journal, > > rather than any arbitrary date chosen by a committee? > > > > I think the only way you could set the dates and process in stone would > > be to guarantee publication in the same journal each year (as well as > > the OSGeo journal). > > > > Happy to be corrected on any of these points though! > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Jeff McKenna > > <jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com>> > > wrote: > > > > Here's another thought for our "lessons learned" wiki: For the next > > FOSS4G event, the first step in the Academic submission process > could be > > an "extended abstract" due for something like Feb 1st. How I am > coming > > up with that idea? On this past Friday was a deadline for a > "CoastGIS" > > event, and all presentation abstracts were to follow an "extended" > > abstract template (min 2 pages max 4 pages, including listing your > > peer-reviewed sources); selected extended abstracts will be invited > to > > submit full papers. Could this be the first step someday for a > FOSS4G > > Academic track? I've leave that to the FOSS4G Academic leaders to > > discuss (again I am not one of those leaders). > > > > For the record here was the "extended" abstract template (sorry for > the > > M$ file, I have no relation to this event): > > > http://coinatlantic.ca/coastgis2013/docs/CoastGIS_2013_Extended_Abstract_Template.doc > > > > Thanks for listening. > > > > -jeff > > > > > > > > On 13-01-27 11:49 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote: > > > Hello Barend, Venka, Andy, Max, Nick, and Puneet, > > > > > > First I want to thank the Academic chairs Barend and Franz-Josef > for > > > volunteering for the management of the difficult process of the > > > selection of papers for the FOSS4G 2013 event. I am impressed by > > their > > > passion and dedication to getting papers published in the > Transactions > > > in GIS journal, this is very important. > > > > > > I want to make a strong reminder to all of the FOSS4G 2013 local > > > committee (academic or otherwise) to make sure to be adding to your > > > "Lessons Learned" wiki page as you travel down this path (the time > > to be > > > adding thoughts is now not later when you have forgotten: as a > > > documenter, I know those that say "oh I'll do that later" never > > ever do, > > > ever). Please begin writing your thoughts for 2013 at: > > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2013_Lessons_Learned You will > > notice > > > that is is blank for 2013. These thoughts are very important to > > share, > > > as future local committees will be reviewing these (take a look at > all > > > the wonderful lessons learned from previous events linked from that > > > page, really wonderful to have). Thank you, and future event > > committees > > > will thank you. > > > > > > Regarding the Academic track call for papers for 2013, of course > > we must > > > respect the local committees decisions. I am listening to Barend's > > > thoughts, as well as long-time FOSS4G academic leaders like Venka > and > > > Massimiliano. I feel that the 2013 committee could consider their > > > feedback, and possibly extend the deadline by a month to March > > 1st. It > > > would give researchers some breathing room to prepare their papers, > > > which, yes is earlier than past FOSS4G events but if we all want > > papers > > > within these journals we must respect these early deadlines. Of > > course > > > the local committee doesn't have to make an extension, I am only > > making > > > a suggestion. > > > > > > Another idea, or reminder, I have for the committee is to be as > > open as > > > possible; for example, there is a mailing list setup just for > FOSS4G > > > Academic discussions (I believe this was probably last used in > > 2010, but > > > it is there to discuss openly with academic FOSS4G leaders). > Again, > > > there is no official requirement for local committees to use these > > > mailing lists. > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-academic > > > > > > Finally, I just now went back to examine the FOSS4G 2011 Academic > > Track > > > process used. In fact that year I was also on the Academic > Selection > > > committee, which was led wonderfully by the hard-working Rafael > > Moreno. > > > On February 1st a "Call for Papers" was released for the Academic > > > track, and the call was actually for abstracts (yes google > > archives can > > > trick you sometimes, as the title was for "Call for Papers" but if > you > > > read the release the first step was abstract submission). The > > deadline > > > for academic abstracts was April 15th. We received approximately > 60 > > > academic abstracts (note that the day before the deadline, on April > > > 14th, we only had 9 submissions so far - Paul Ramsey would be > nodding > > > his head at this, as this is very common, the many submitted right > at > > > the deadline). Rafael then instructed us to have our abstract > > rankings > > > back to him by May 16th. From those rankings the plan was: the > > top 11 + > > > 2 (backup) were invited to submit a paper for TGIS; the next 11 + 2 > > > (backup) were invited to submit a paper for the OSGeo Journal. > > > According to my email archives the deadline for those full papers > was > > > July 30th; and we received a total of 17 full papers. The rest > > > (history) should be discussed on the FOSS4G Academic list with the > > > academic leaders (I am not one), but I hope this little history > > summary > > > helps the 2013 committee move forward. > > > > > > Again thanks for the hard work of the 2013 local committee. > > > > > > And thank you all for your FOSS4G passion (Puneet was right to put > it > > > all in perspective). > > > > > > -jeff > > > OSGeo President > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13-01-25 7:26 AM, b.j.kob...@utwente.nl > > <mailto:b.j.kob...@utwente.nl> wrote: > > >> Dear Venka and Massimiliano, > > >> > > >> I feel we have to defend the Foss4G2013 AT a bit here (as AT > > co-chairs we > > >> should ;-) > > >> > > >> It is actually not true that "Previous FOSS4G's had abstract > > review by the > > >> academic committee > > >> and selected authors were asked to submit full papers closer to > the > > >> conference dates." > > >> Both in the 2010 and 2011 conferences we had submission of full > > papers, > > >> not abstracts. > > >> > > >> The reason for this is that academics nowadays need to publish, > > if we want > > >> or not, and that means we have to offer a possibility of official > > >> publishing for the AT papers. The only way to achieve that is > > have journal > > >> outlets secured well beforehand and for that you need to set up a > > "Journal > > >> Type" submission and reviewing system, which means selection of > full > > >> papers. Having to first select promising abstract, then ask these > > people > > >> to write full papers, and then have these properly peer-reviewed, > all > > >> before the conference publication deadline, would mean we'd need > > an even > > >> earlier deadline. > > >> This by the way is nowadays accepted academic practice at > > conferences that > > >> offer Jopurnal publication outputs. > > >> > > >> I agree that 7 months before the conference seems like a very > early > > >> deadline, but for the reviewing process, the editing and > > processing of > > >> accepted papers and preparation of manuscripts for publication, it > > >> actually is quite a tight time table. Note that the advantage is > > that if > > >> your paper is accepted, you are assured of it being actually > > published at > > >> the conference date, something may academics are keen for... > > >> > > >> Note also that the normal (non AT) tracks at Foss4G continue to > offer > > >> submission and reviewing based on abstracts. > > >> > > >> We will have this year (as in previous years) an Academic > > Committee. These > > >> are the people that will be asked to do the full paper reviewing, > > and we > > >> have just this week invited candidates and have asked them to > > agree to do > > >> this important task. The list will appear on the site once the > > reviewing > > >> process starts. > > >> > > >> I hope this answers some of your questions. > > >> > > >> > > >> For further questions, comments and remarks, please don't > hesitate to > > >> contact the Academic Track co-chairs: > > >> > > >> * Franz-Josef Behr (Stuttgart University of Applied Sciences): > > >> franz-josef.b...@hft-stuttgart.de > > <mailto:franz-josef.b...@hft-stuttgart.de> > > >> * Barend Köbben (ITC-University of Twente): kob...@itc.nl > > <mailto:kob...@itc.nl> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- *Massimiliano Cannata* Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica Responsabile settore Geomatica Istituto scienze della Terra Dipartimento ambiente costruszione e design Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14**** Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09**** massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch *www.supsi.ch/ist*
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