wise words, will do so :) -Peter
On 06/25/15 10:34, Sanghee Shin wrote: > Dear All, > > Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing > lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. > > I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in > Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we can have that spaces > before/during/after FOSS4G Seoul and will report to you. > > And I also agree with some advices that because my presentation was highly > dependent on verbal explanation, it not so effective itself to deliver my > clear intention. I’ll think about how to handle this. > > Thanks again for great and wonderful inputs. > > How about having a break for while? > > All the best, > > Sanghee > --- > Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul > "Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!" > http://2015.foss4g.org > Twitter: @foss4g > Facebook: FOSS4G2015 > email: foss4gch...@osgeo.org <mailto:foss4gch...@osgeo.org> > > > >> 2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:22, Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch >> <mailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>> 작성: >> >> Once again I express my opinion: >> I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting >> diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything. >> >> If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the >> agreed CoC. >> Do we really want to argue about the images and content of anyone >> presentation? >> >> The community is the best referee of the conduct of its members not a bunch >> of people deciding what is good or not. >> >> And YES, we can discuss it in Seoul to find a way to rise attention to the >> CoC and discuss more (but friendly and with respect of diversity ;-) ) >> >> >> Maxi >> >> >> >> 2015-06-25 10:07 GMT+02:00 Pat Tressel <ptres...@myuw.net >> <mailto:ptres...@myuw.net>>: >> >> I hesitate to step into the "sexism in tech" debate, but... There may be >> some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant -- >> some specifically have to do with conferences. This list is not R-rated, >> so rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you >> search queries that will bring them up: >> >> "PyCon donglegate" >> "TechCrunch sexism" >> "Pax Dickenson brogrammer" >> "GamerGate" >> >> Those are only tips of the iceberg -- they are specific symptoms of a >> more general attitude. I've listed them in order of seriousness. I >> expect that these will get the "that's just PC" objection, but are >> threats of rape and murder really just "for fun"? And if the objection >> is that women just just force their way into tech, I have two words for >> you: hiring manager. And no, not all of us have the resources to start >> our own companies. Venture funding is rarely offered to women. >> >> When I worked as a software engineer for Digital Equipment Corporation >> (DEC) in the 90s, the group I was in was half women. No, not secretaries >> and support staff -- engineers. But there was a difference in attitude, >> which one can see in the fact that although DEC ceased to exist in 1998 >> (sold to Compaq), we *still have reunions* and active social networks. >> The switch to deliberately provoking competition and infighting between >> employees, via stack ranking and similar management fads, is exacerbating >> the rise of sexism in tech -- there is now an aspect of "us against >> them". Because employment is a zero-sum game, (re)entry of women in tech >> would mean fewer positions and less money for men. (Competing against >> other men doesn't trigger the same level of response since men are >> already in the pool -- it's the thought of the pool *doubling* that is >> causing this fear.) Since this style of management (stemming from Jack >> Welch) is taught in b-schools, it will take some time to turn the ship >> around. But there are some signs of light: Microsoft recently cancelled >> stack ranking, and is making a significant effort to reestablish teamwork >> and cooperation. That took being publicly shamed (see the article in >> Vanity Fair, titled ~ "How Stack Ranking Killed Innovation at Microsoft") >> and a new CEO (Satya Nadella, replacing Steve Ballmer). >> >> There's also plain old bias. This research by Google HR is fascinating: >> https://www.gv.com/lib/unconscious-bias-at-work >> Watch especially where ~ the entire audience, men and women both, fails >> the test, right there on camera... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Massimiliano Cannata* >> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica >> Responsabile settore Geomatica >> >> Istituto scienze della Terra >> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design >> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana >> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio >> >> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 >> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 >> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> >> _www.supsi.ch/ist <http://www.supsi.ch/ist>_ >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dr. Peter Baumann - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann mail: p.baum...@jacobs-university.de tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178 - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793) www.rasdaman.com, mail: baum...@rasdaman.com tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882 "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." 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