Well said Sanghee ______ Steven
> On 25 Jun 2015, at 02:21, Sanghee Shin <shs...@gaia3d.com> wrote: > > Hello Darrell, > > I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by > lacking of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for > Education Statistics[0], women have outnumbered men in American colleges for > last 35 years. However women just selected another jobs rather than > programming or geospatial. It’s not our fault. I couldn’t recall any decisive > moment that lacking of CoC in OSGeo excluded participation of female except > recent comments from Kate. > > It’s very similar in Korea as well. More than 45% of college students are > female. However they *DO* select another jobs instead of selecting > programming or geospatial. That’s why only around 10% are female in Korean > Chapter. It’s not because lacking of CoC. > > If we want to be a "broad community, a global community, also truly > reflective of the whole world", we’d better discuss how to effectively engage > other members from 3rd countries or developing countries. Do you know people > in Asia outnumber the other part of the world? Frankly to say I haven’t seen > any much effort from OSGeo to try to engage members from developing > countries. Ah.. we have travel grants once a year. > > You said, "If our FOSS4G community does not reflect the entire world, then we > are failing to engage all people, or worse, chasing some of them away.” > Great! And then what is the real relation between your phrase and CoC. Do you > really believe that imposing CoC automatically make OSGeo more welcomed > organisation to 3rd countries or developing countries members? > > I feel that CoC is for white women in advanced countries. I know I might be > wrong. However whenever we talk about CoC, it’s all about sexy image or > something like that. It’s not about how to engage 2/3 of world population. > > All the best, > > Sanghee > > [0]http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_303.10.asp > --- > Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul > "Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!" > http://2015.foss4g.org > Twitter: @foss4g > Facebook: FOSS4G2015 > email: foss4gch...@osgeo.org > > > >> 2015. 6. 24., 오후 10:42, Darrell Fuhriman <darr...@garnix.org> 작성: >> >> I’m not sure who the “we” you are referring to here is, but it certainly >> does not include me. >> >> I am absolutely, 100%, interested in having more women become engaged in >> FOSS4G. >> >> Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations. >> >> We are a broad community, a global community, but we are not truly >> reflective of the whole world. We are largely white men from wealthy >> countries. >> >> I *want* people engaged and passionate about FOSS4G. And that means making >> sure have a community where *everyone* feels welcome. If our FOSS4G >> community does not reflect the entire world, then we are failing to engage >> all people, or worse, chasing some of them away. >> >> A CoC is not a sign that we are dying, a CoC is a sign that we acknowledge >> that we are insufficiently inclusive, and that we as a community will not >> stand for that. It’s a sign that says “We do not want behaviors that drive >> people away, behaviors that make our community *smaller*. We are a welcoming >> community and we want *you* to be part of it.”Is a CoC sufficient to create >> that community? Absolutely not, but it’s a step forwards. A flag in the >> ground — a flag that says, “We welcome you!” >> >> If we’re afraid of that, then we truly are a dying community, and one that >> deserves to meet its quiet, irrelevant end. >> >> Darrell >> >> >>> We are not interested in "more women to become engaged in FOSS4G". We are >>> interested in people engaged and passionate about FOSS4G. We don't care >>> about the sex, the colour, the religious or the operating system. Why are >>> we interested specifically in more women? >>> >>> There is a large and growing business behind FOSS4G, which is an huge >>> accomplishment of FOSS4G, that we should care and maintain. It is ok to >>> have some grey people with a strange piece of cloth knotted at the throat >>> attending FOSS4G and moving around. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Conference_dev mailing list >> conference_...@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev > > _______________________________________________ > Conference_dev mailing list > conference_...@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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