Gents, I bow out of this discussion, with still a semblance of grace.
Marc Kind regards, Marc Vloemans Mobile +31(0)651 844262 LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans 2016-04-28 15:21 GMT+02:00 Massimiliano Cannata < massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>: > Cameron and all, > Personally (and not speaking in the name of he board) i will be super > happy and in super favor of having a marketing plan to be probably one part > of theOSGeo strategy. > > I just don't see that we should restart from scratch what has been done so > far for this year. > > in my opinion, we should go on and make treasure of results (positive or > negative) and improve the process for the future. > > Maxi > > > > > Il 28/Apr/2016 14:31, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > >> Hi Maxi, board, >> >> It has been good of you to take the lead in putting together an OSGeo >> Priorities survey. >> Pushing an idea forward such as has been done has created a talking >> point, leading to marketing conversations, although possibly not in the >> direction originally planned, but constructive non-the-less. >> >> The positives I see from the board identification of a need (for >> marketing), is that some really great marketing ideas are starting to flow >> onto our email lists, from the likes of Marc and others. We have some >> really experienced business development, marketing, and strategy people >> within the OSGeo community. You might want to check out some of the OSGeo >> Advocate profiles at https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate >> >> The conversations are hopefully leading to a revitalization of the OSGeo >> Marketing committee, which should in turn help free up the board to tackle >> other initiatives. I suspect that you'd agree that to be able to tap into >> this marketing expertise will be of value to the board? >> >> With regards to the specific conversation about delineating between >> marketing and strategy, I've regularly seen marketing consultants being >> included in company strategy planning sessions, and I see there being many >> synergies between the two. >> >> A few encouraging words from the board, offering to support personal >> initiatives to drive OSGeo marketing forward would likely be valuable at >> this point. (I've had a couple of private emails questioning whether >> marketing initiatives would be welcomed by the board.) >> >> Warm regards, Cameron >> >> On 28/04/2016 9:23 pm, Marc Vloemans wrote: >> >> Ouch...once more picking up the towel from the ring....I have to disagree >> with the spin/suggestiveness/angle as below.....it throws the whole >> discussion back to its early beginnings ......it disregards what >> individuals have contributed until now from their experience and insights >> ...... >> I realise that anything I write/offer further can be construed as too >> critical, too negative, too this, that and other. However, we are IMHO >> assembled at a too critical junction for OSGeo. >> >> I flatly refuse to go down a wrong path, only execute isolated subjective >> tasks on behalf of whoever tells me to do so, while seeing the proverbial >> ice-berg (irrelevance) on the radar (and the band keeps playing). That is >> not in the spirit of OS communities. I am quite willing to work (and >> starting to do so) on pressing present issues like: can we salvage our >> presence at FOSS4GNA next week (no banners, CD's etc to be found), what >> about actual funding requests.... But it would be nice if offers of help, >> actual advice, contributions etc are not so easily dismissed, disregarded >> or kept for later usage. >> >> Actual terminology as "strategy is not a matter of marketing", "I >> suggest you to work..." , comparing us to governments and reminding me >> that 'the board has been elected', make me wonder if our community strategy >> is still to be a bottom-up process and what type of signal this gives to >> the members/volunteers. And if 'Father knows best what's good for me' .... >> Well, that only works if one holds power over me or if there is a >> successful track record to show for. Right now it feels plain wrong to me. >> >> My contribution (and that of other commentators for who I have >> professional respect for their particular expertise) should be seen as a >> compliment and addition to what the Board has started. >> If the questionnaire, Boards' strategic objectives and member' >> participation/response all leave something to be desired....then that is >> totally OK with me....as long as all involved learn from it, take >> additional expertise on board, adapt, redesign and - anew - go for it. >> >> By the way; >> If the Board requires more mandate than they feel they have right now, in >> order to strategise properly (and not wait till 2017, while already our >> Foss4gNA-presentation is in jeopardy and the all-important Bonn-OSGeo >> strategy-presentation coming up), then they have my backing! >> >> >> >> Vriendelijke groet, >> Marc Vloemans >> >> >> Op 28 apr. 2016 om 08:09 heeft Massimiliano Cannata < >> <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> het >> volgende geschreven: >> >> >> > Dears >> > I personally don't believe that strategy is a matter of marketing. >> > >> > It is a matter of governance: identify what is useful and think of how >> implement it. All over the word governments do this. >> > >> > Marketing is about how sell / market your product to clients which is >> only one part of the strategy. >> > >> > That's why this elected board decided to take action. The process is >> certainly far from being optimal and the contribution of all the members of >> this community is desired. But i want to underline that this is at least a >> great starting point you should credit this board. >> > >> > The call for ideas of action is beacause the board would like the >> understand what the community think is the more important and appropriate >> way of operate and spend money towards the selected objectives. >> > >> > Good or not, one page or five, perfectible or trashable this is a >> starting point. >> > >> > Questions could have been easier and we could have been more answers >> but we wanted well tought and feasible and verifiable actions, not just >> "Let's go to the moon" ideas. >> > >> > The next step of the board is the evaluate and prioritize answers and >> try to make them happen in 2016. >> > >> > I suggest you to work for the 2017 strategy supporting the board with >> market analysis and ideas so that wiser decision can be taken. >> > >> > Ant the end GIS is all about information to support decision making :-) >> > >> > Maxi >> > >> > Il 27/Apr/2016 16:20, "Marc Vloemans" < <marcvloema...@gmail.com> >> marcvloema...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> >> >> Steven, Gert Jan et al >> >> >> >> Please feel free to add, comment, fill in blanks and disagree with my >> discussion piece in wiki Marketing Committee Discussion tab! >> >> >> >> My intention was to gather insights etc from others, while still >> framing the discussions on our strategy, stakeholders, questionnaire etc. >> >> As well as finding common semantics (eg Eco-system vs community, >> marketing vs promotion). >> >> >> >> This way we can provide those less familiar with strategy-making >> processes and marketing decisions/activities with some blue print and back >> ground. (Like more tech-savvy colleagues explained software architecture to >> me in the past ;-) >> >> >> >> Vriendelijke groet, >> >> Marc Vloemans >> >> >> >> >> >> > Op 27 apr. 2016 om 13:20 heeft Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting >> OSGeo.nl <http://osgeo.nl> < <gert-...@osgeo.nl>gert-...@osgeo.nl> het >> volgende geschreven: >> >> > >> >> > Steven, Maxi >> >> > >> >> > @Steven: Thanks for writing down for what is also my personal >> experience. >> >> > Even though I followed the process of setting up these strategic >> outcomes from a rather nearby position, >> >> > it's hard to feel engaged with the questionnaire. >> >> > >> >> > Let's try to analyse: >> >> > The Board has as first steps (re-)written down a Vision, a Mission >> and Core Values. >> >> > The next two steps ("identification of ecosystems" and >> "identification of 4 strategic objectives" have also been done by the Board >> solely). >> >> > >> >> > So now, in the 4th step, the Charter Members are asked for the first >> time for their input. >> >> > But in fact you have already lost me in defining the ecosystem: >> what's the role of the 8 identified parties in this ecosystem? And how come >> OSGeo.org <http://osgeo.org> itself not part of the ecosystem? >> >> > >> >> > And a few suggestions: >> >> > 1. I think the Google Form would be easier to understand if it >> contained one page for every of the 4 Strategic Objectives (so 5 pages in >> total). >> >> > 2. The last question ("ecosystems involved") has two components: the >> "who is the main beneficiary", but also "who is the main actor". >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > regards, >> >> > >> >> > Gert-Jan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> >> > Van: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Steven >> Feldman >> >> > Verzonden: dinsdag 26 april 2016 21:35 >> >> > Aan: Marc Vloemans >> >> > CC: discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> >> > Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Call for ideas on osgeo activities >> >> > >> >> > I just tried to complete the questionnaire. I found it very >> difficult to understand. It seemed to be pushing me down a line of >> commenting on a web site redesign >> >> > >> >> > It didn't give me enough context of why the strategic outcomes were >> strategic and it didn't allow me to suggest any alternatives. The mandatory >> questions force a choice from a predetermined list with no option to >> suggest 'other' or 'none of the above' >> >> > >> >> > If we want to poll the Charter members, I think we need to provide >> more explanation and perhaps consider a two stage process where the first >> stage is more open ended and then at a late stage we ask for responses to >> specific questions arising from the first stage >> >> > >> >> > Steven >> >> > >> >> >> On 26 Apr 2016, at 17:00, Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Alternatively.... >> >> >> >> >> >> What is going to happen to the outcome? >> >> >> Some extra communication on that may enlist more entries..... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vriendelijke groet, >> >> >> Marc Vloemans >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Op 26 apr. 2016 om 00:41 heeft Dirk Frigne < >> dirk.fri...@geosparc.com> het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> We can try to discuss the first results on BOF on FOSS4G-NA, GWF >> and >> >> >>> other activities going on... Discussing Face2f can help in getting >> feedback. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I will put this on the agenda during the workshop about OSGeo >> Europe >> >> >>> on the GWF OSGeo day on May 24, 2016 in Rotterdam. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> just my 2c >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Dirk >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On 26-04-16 00:07, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: >> >> >>>> we didn't set any end-date for the survey. >> >> >>>> Nevertheless few answers have today been received, any action to >> >> >>>> better involve members is more then welcome. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Maxi >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> 2016-04-25 23:33 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com >> >> >>>> <mailto: <jody.garn...@gmail.com>jody.garn...@gmail.com>>: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What is the timeframe here Maxi? You may also consider writing an >> >> >>>> news post, or as project leads to pass this opportunity on to the >> >> >>>> developer lists. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> Jody Garnett >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On 24 April 2016 at 03:12, Massimiliano Cannata >> >> >>>> <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch >> >> >>>> <mailto: <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> >> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Dear members >> >> >>>> The survey to collect your actions proposal is still open >> >> >>>> waiting for your contribution. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Maxi >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------- >> >> >>>> Da: "Massimiliano Cannata" <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch >> >> >>>> <mailto: <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> >> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>> >> >> >>>> Data: 12/Apr/2016 18:41 >> >> >>>> Oggetto: 2016 OSGeo's actions - Survey >> >> >>>> A: "OSGeo Discussions" < <discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >> discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> >> >>>> <mailto: <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>discuss@lists.osgeo.org>> >> >> >>>> Cc: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Dear OSGeo Community member, >> >> >>>> during the Face to Face board meeting held in February in >> Eide >> >> >>>> (Holland) a new 2026 OSGeo strategy has been formulated. We >> are >> >> >>>> now in a phase of community engagement to define the tactics >> to >> >> >>>> be implemented in the 2016 so that we can advance toward our >> goals. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> For this reason, the board kindly ask you to participate in >> the >> >> >>>> survey by filling (as many time as your ideas are) the form >> at >> >> >>>> this url: <http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB> >> http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB [1] >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Details on the process and on the strategy are available >> >> >>>> at http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy >> [2] and >> >> >>>> are described in the preamble of the survey. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> In the name of the Board of Directors, >> >> >>>> Thanks and Best regards, >> >> >>>> Maxi >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> [1] <http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB> >> http://goo.gl/forms/HTGTlKv7SB >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> [2] <http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy> >> http://www.slideshare.net/cannata/osgeo-2026-strategy >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> *Massimiliano Cannata* >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Istituto scienze della Terra >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14 >> >> >>>> <tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014 >> <%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2014>>____ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09 >> >> >>>> <tel:%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009 >> <%2B41%20%280%2958%20666%2062%2009>>____ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch >> >> >>>> <mailto: <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> >> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _www.supsi.ch/ist < <http://www.supsi.ch/ist> >> http://www.supsi.ch/ist>_ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Discuss mailing list >> >> >>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >> >> >>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> *Massimiliano Cannata* >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Istituto scienze della Terra >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch <mailto: >> massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _www.supsi.ch/ist < <http://www.supsi.ch/ist> >> http://www.supsi.ch/ist>_ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Discuss mailing list >> >> >>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> >> >>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Yours sincerely, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ir. 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