Maria your request is at odds with the goal of this website. Already I have private chats about participants being discouraged. I do not think that using the board to control the process is a productive or respectful of those working on the project.
Please reconsider how to interactive positively with the community. On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:10 PM Maria Antonia Brovelli < maria.brove...@polimi.it> wrote: > If somebody is interested in knowing more about foss4g, we are here. If > somebody, using whichever proprietary software, wants to have more pieces > of information they can contact us and we will provide them with all the > information they need. > Contacting and working with us is a definitely different attitude than > simply downloading and using. And we are interested in the first type of > people because we want our community growing. > Therefore no needs at all to put the names and links to proprietary > software. > Please again remote them. > I'll open a loomio vote of the Board about that. > Have a good evening > Maria > > > > > Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung > > > -------- Messaggio originale -------- > Da: Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> > Data: 20/09/17 20:40 (GMT+01:00) > A: Maria Antonia Brovelli <maria.brove...@polimi.it> > Cc: Margherita Di Leo <direg...@gmail.com>, Helmut Kudrnovsky < > hel...@web.de>, OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, > OSGeo-Marketing <market...@lists.osgeo.org> > Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo > website > > I like your language that our open source projects are much more than > proprietary software - it is this reason we are focusing on a team photo > for each page (rather than a screen shot of the software). > > The original bug report reported a direct link to ESRI which was fixed, > this is where the "advertising" came in - which was never the original > intention and was fixed. > > The "Migrate from: ArcMap, MapInfo" idea looks like it does a way better > job of communicating and is a positive result of this discussion. > - This information is mission critical for outreach and driving adoption > of open source, the top question this website and those new to open source > ask is "I am using XXX, what is available?" > - In many cases I do not know the proprietary software and a link to > wikipedia article would give a visitor like me useful context (of course we > can remove the link and just have text because the website is not for me). > - It also occurs to me to be respectful of trademark; listing competitors > is a good practice but it can be done with respect. > > Maria of course no offence is intended to volunteers (myself) included. > Thanks for participating in this discussion. > > -- > Jody Garnett > > On 20 September 2017 at 10:29, Maria Antonia Brovelli < > maria.brove...@polimi.it> wrote: > >> Jody, I see very difficult the existence of a vast majority of GIS >> industry that has honestly not heard about open source yet. Anyway I >> refuse the idea of "similar proprietary software" because our projects are >> much more than pieces of code. Behind our software there are communities >> and limiting our projects to pieces of code is offensive and insulting for >> the volunteers behind them. We are more and diverse. This is the reason why >> there are not "similar proprietary software". >> Thanks for removing the links. >> Best >> Maria >> >> >> >> >> Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung >> >> >> -------- Messaggio originale -------- >> Da: Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >> Data: 20/09/17 18:53 (GMT+01:00) >> A: Maria Antonia Brovelli <maria.brove...@polimi.it> >> Cc: Margherita Di Leo <direg...@gmail.com>, Helmut Kudrnovsky < >> hel...@web.de>, OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, >> OSGeo-Marketing <market...@lists.osgeo.org> >> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo >> website >> >> Thanks Maria, >> >> I reject the idea that we are advertising proprietary software, so each >> time it is phrased that way of course everyone well say "no". >> >> I want to help our software reach visitors that feel locked into >> proprietary software, please recognize this goal and how "migrate from" can >> help. >> >> -- >> Jody Garnett >> >> On 20 September 2017 at 09:49, Maria Antonia Brovelli < >> maria.brove...@polimi.it> wrote: >> >>> Dear Jody >>> Personally I agree with Helmut and I don't see any necessity of putting >>> "similar proprietary software" on our web pages. I don't think proprietary >>> software need to be advertized. We are a Foundation about Open Software and >>> I want to see the open source projects on the website that we have been >>> paying as OSGeo. >>> I ask please to remove the "similar proprietary software" and the >>> related links. >>> Many thanks >>> Best, >>> Maria >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung >>> >>> >>> -------- Messaggio originale -------- >>> Da: Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >>> Data: 20/09/17 14:45 (GMT+01:00) >>> A: Margherita Di Leo <direg...@gmail.com>, Helmut Kudrnovsky < >>> hel...@web.de> >>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, OSGeo-Marketing < >>> market...@lists.osgeo.org> >>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo >>> website >>> >>> Thanks for the discussion on the bug report. Please keep in mind that >>> this website is written by us, but it is not intended for us - it is >>> intended for the vast majority of the GIS industry that has honestly not >>> heard about open source yet. >>> >>> These sections are optional, if one of our open source projects has a >>> particular target market in mind filling in this information would really >>> help! Indeed when I go to a normal GIS conference this is the top question >>> - since I have not had a chance to use the proprietary software it is not >>> one I can easily answer. >>> >>> In the above bug report I would like to change the heading from "Similar >>> Proprietary Products" to "Migrate From", but perhaps that is too >>> confrontational? I would also like to avoid advertising proprietary >>> software, linking to the associated wikipedia entry if appropriate. >>> >>> I am not interested in reciprocity, I am interested in OSGeo projects >>> taking competition to the GIS industry which as been missing. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:09 AM Margherita Di Leo <direg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hel...@web.de> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear OSGeo community >>>>> >>>>> I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to >>>>> "similar proprietary products" [1] to your attention. >>>>> >>>>> My comment there: >>>>> >>>>> "I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary >>>>> Products" should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software >>>>> out there, there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of >>>>> e.g. a reviewed scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - >>>>> if >>>>> they want to - may link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve such >>>>> links. As already elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key if >>>>> such >>>>> items are listed, but I can't see this happen. " >>>>> >>>> >>>> I agree. I don't understand it either. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects >>>>> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is >>>>> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such >>>>> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to >>>>> produce >>>>> nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based >>>>> on >>>>> tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young >>>>> who will be our OSGeo's future. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for mentioning that, Helli. May I add that suitable tasks for >>>> students may include design of web pages and / or promotional material, see >>>> for example >>>> https://codein.withgoogle.com/archive/2015/organization/4777925899452416/task/5259692246827008/ >>>> I take the liberty of cc'ing the marketing committee, because it would >>>> be nice to see some members joining the code-in mentors pool. Let us know >>>> that you want to join, writing an email to gsoc-ad...@osgeo.org and >>>> I'll send you the subscription form. >>>> Hoping that I didn't go much off topic respect to the original meaning >>>> of this email >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Margherita Di Leo >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Marketing mailing list >>>> market...@lists.osgeo.org >>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing >>> >>> >> > -- -- Jody Garnett
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