I Totally agree with your emphasis on 'active'. That makes it operational. Code of conducts, bylaws and other formally stated policies can provide a necessary framework, but it will be people/us/individuals who will have to lead by example and by engaging and by upholding the values. It is about a bottom-up approach and a scratch-our-own-itches attitude IMHO.
Op vr 13 okt. 2017 om 09:24 schreef María Arias de Reyna < delawen+os...@gmail.com> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloema...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Please notice that the concept of diversity is not about equal >> numbers/quota's. That has and will backfire as it misses the point and >> easily degrades individual achievements. >> >> It is essentially about 'inclusiveness'! >> >> I am trying to be sensitive to the European way of approaching the matter >> versus the American way. 'Diversity' as a term carries different >> connotations/values/interpretations for different cultures. >> Therefore I rather talk about 'inclusiveness' as everyone has felt left >> out at least once. So is able to relate to how that feels. >> >> Are we inviting and welcoming everyone that adds value in some way or is >> genuinely interested in OSGeo? >> Do we truly have the 'open' culture we pride ourselves on (e.g. past >> email treads attacking individuals could suggest differently)? >> Please, lets work on that, keep each other sharp and avoid window >> dressing. >> >> Kind regards, >> Marc Vloemans >> >> > Hi, > > I agree that maybe the word diversity may be too cultural-related and > maybe we should avoid it as we may not be talking about the same things. > Maybe some native speakers can create a glosary of terms we can use when > talking about diversity and inclusiveness? > > I know what to use in Spanish, but sometimes I am not sure how that > translates properly. It's like, can I say "black" if I am just being > descriptive? Because "afroamerican" may work fine in America, but what > about black people in Europe who has never been to America? "Afroeuropean"? > Why the difference? It is always confusing to me because I always get > different advices here. > > Also, I think that being just welcoming and open on a pasive way is not > enough, which is how OSGeo has behave until now (or at least from my point > of view). That's the classic argument when men are asked about the lack of > women in tech. "We don't forbid them to come. If they would be interested, > they would be here. We will be happy if they join." And that's not how it > works. In my opinion, we have to be actively welcoming and inclusive at all > times. The slippery moment we forget, we are making people move away. > > > Op 13 okt. 2017 om 08:23 heeft María Arias de Reyna < >> delawen+os...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Hi Ger-Jan (and all), >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting >> OSGeo.nl <gert-...@osgeo.nl> wrote: >> >>> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members), >>> >>> = And one to all of you: >>> >>> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization. >>> >>> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do >>> you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / >>> languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent >>> (not counting for Antarctica, ha!) >>> >> >> >> I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things >> just because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not >> related to my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to >> be somewhere (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not >> because I deserve it but because something I didn't even choose? If I >> accepted, no one was going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do >> anything for real. No, thanks. >> >> Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person >> for each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or >> whatever criteria you want to split people into. >> >> Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to >> get more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they >> will become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more >> comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving >> visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo? >> Sure. Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have >> to fill a quota? No, thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> -- Kind regards, Marc Vloemans Mobile +31(0)651 844262 LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans
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