+1 Without businesses no SLA's etc. for professional enduser organisations, who ultimate pay for developers as well as the 'parties'. (Coming nog from a - black - suit ;-)
Kind regards, Marc Vloemans > Op 16 okt. 2017 om 19:44 heeft Seven (aka Arnulf) <se...@arnulf.us> het > volgende geschreven: > > Folks, > if we want to compete then we have to play the game. Party is great but the > money is not in the party and fun part. The money sits in large corps and > governments. Folks coming from there are not expected to party or hang out > and have fun. They are expected to see the bleeding edge technology first > hand, learn about the reliability of Open Source and Free Software licensing > and learn about the leading businesses in that domain. Companies who choose > to support FOSS4G with their sponsorship and come to the global big business > FOSS4G industry event. Honor them. Honor those who organize those events. > Consider paying them professional rates instead of burning them out and then > complain that they have left. > (Maybe to the disagreement of some) these kind of events function by making > things shine and excel. This includes a great venue, great catering, inviting > great paid speakers and award great awards at a great gala dinner. Yawn. How > I hate those events! Plus they are costly! Plus I have to wear my (cat)suit! > Yuck! But this is also why I always have worn a suit when it was required > (especially on Star Trek Voyager). No, I do not consider myself a suit. But I > wear one when it is required. There are aspects of Free Software and Open > Source where a suit is a door opener. Condemn it, door closes. > The good thing is, we do not have to stop anything. We can and we already are > doing both. We have great local events and code sprints and fun and party and > all. Plus we have a one time per year event that is expensive and attracts > the money. Where is the problem? Don't like it? Then don't go. Cannot afford > it? Then promote it so that those who can afford it go (and indirectly pay > your pizza during the fun events). How cool is that? > Honestly, FOSS4G "global" should stay (or become even more of) an industry > event. What do you think where the (admittedly tiny) OSGeo budget comes from? > It is the surplus generated by well organized, efficient and shiny (plus fun) > FOSS4Gs. This money is used to support the pizza and coffee for local code > sprints. Why on earth would anybody in his or her right mind jeopardize or > even criticize an event that helps fund everything else we do? > Cheers, > Seven > (Founder, Charter Member, ex Director, President Emeritus of OSGeo and grumpy > old ex Borg drone) > > >> Am 16.10.2017 um 18:55 schrieb Jody Garnett: >> I would like a chance to listen to everyone and avoid creating spits in our >> community, some of the most critical feedback received about foss4g >> affordability has been by companies. Our strength in part comes from >> bridging divides, a foss4g for business would not be a foss4g. >> >> Ravi can I ask if you would like to have a "hangout" or "party" event? >> >> I was surprised to encounter the viewpoint that foss4g it is considered an >> OSGeo party. While we have lots to celebrate, I view foss4g as a time when >> we can best meet our outreach goals. I tend to view this as a responsibility >> - the local organizing committee has specific brought us in to >> knock-the-socks off the local geospatial community and show them how amazing >> open source can be! >> >> As a personal goal I am trying to be more relaxed about viewing OSGeo as a >> party, our community members are amazing should be celebrated and >> celebrating. It is one thing I really appreciated about the slower pace of >> this years foss4g-europe event, think it was the first time I got to see >> Andrea Amine slow down enough to talk to. >> >> Thanks again for bringing interesting questions to this years elections. >> >> >> >> -- >> Jody Garnett >> >> On 15 October 2017 at 23:59, Ravi Kumar <manarajahmundry2...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Hi List, >>> happy to note that 'FOSS4G being Costly/Unaffordable', is discussed. >>> To make it fun, spice is added on the TERM HANGOUT.. >>> >>> May be the next board will have FOSS4G for Business, where in 5* comforts >>> that might make business easy for OSGeo. >>> Will also have, 'FOSS4G Developers', where in young students/Reserchers can >>> have a great conference. >>> >>> Some fine tuning may make, Say , 1st 2 days 5 Star.. Next two affordable. >>> But in a world where, 'COST some times means Efficiency', may not, 'play >>> ball', with this Idea. >>> >>> Cheers.. and All the best to the Hopefuls >>> >>> Ravi Kumar >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> Okay I checked that the report is not published yet (sigh). I really >>>> appreciated Jeff's answer, and agree that regional foss4g events are >>>> seeing great success and are much more affordable. >>>> >>>> To answer your question: >>>> >>>> 'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to be a hangout for those who can >>>> afford it'.. >>>> >>>> I have never agreed that FOSS4G is a hangout - I continue to view it as >>>> our most effective outreach event. >>>> >>>> costs (of participation) are so high that many might not afford.. >>>> >>>> I very much agree with this, indeed I was only able to attend the Lausanne >>>> event by the kindness of people letting me sleep on their hotel floor. I >>>> have tried to return the favour each time the event took place in my home >>>> city. >>>> >>>> If selected to the board HOW do you wish to correct this... >>>> >>>> This is a tricky one, in part because I do not have to imagine - here is >>>> my own recommendation from the bo...@osgeo.org email list thread: f2f >>>> meeting follow up: >>>> >>>> On 21 August 2017 at 11:23, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I saw this thread get into the details of the RFP - for that we have >>>> volunteers on the conference committee. My goal as a board member is to >>>> work on strategy, as the conference committee knows best about the RFP >>>> wording and process. >>>> >>>> *Q: *Based on the affordability report, and resulting discussion, did we >>>> as the board have any direction to ask the conference committee to steer >>>> in? >>>> >>>> My own feedback: >>>> >>>> 1) I was pleasantly surprised that the ticket cost of foss4g has not >>>> changed significantly over the course of the events (indeed our most >>>> expensive event was Sydney and our cheapest Korea). >>>> >>>> I do not see any guidance to provide here (this was surprising to me). >>>> >>>> 2) Attendance continues to increase limiting appropriate venues >>>> >>>> I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and event is >>>> growing. I think once we get around 3000 people we may be forced to settle >>>> down to consider a fixed location, but at 1000-2000 we can still move it >>>> around. >>>> >>>> 3) regional events are killing it >>>> >>>> I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and events is >>>> growing. The hope is this takes some of the strain from the global event, >>>> allowing it to focus on outreach and advocacy more. >>>> >>>> 4) hard for students to attend (also journal, etc...) >>>> >>>> There was a strong hope that travel grant program could help out a lot >>>> here, that would make me sad as this was intended to work towards >>>> diversity. >>>> >>>> While there may be guidance here I am not close enough to the academic >>>> world to provide useful direction. >>>> >>>> 5) diversity >>>> >>>> The original intention of the travel grant was to bring diversity >>>> awareness to our osgeo events (to apply regional events are asked to set a >>>> diversity target which travel grant can help towards). During foss4g I >>>> attended a diversity presentation that advocated creating a safe space. >>>> >>>> *Guidance: *Trial the use of providing a safe space in the 2018 bid. >>>> >>>> Similar recommendations online include: >>>> - make female speakers a priority (not just in selection, but before hand >>>> in promotion, one-on-one mentoring etc...). >>>> - providing child care (this helps families attend) >>>> >>>> Since these haver not been advocated by members of our community I am only >>>> comfortable providing guidance on providing a safe space. Perhaps some of >>>> these ideas can be tried out at regional conferences first. >>>> >>>> 6) time of year >>>> >>>> The events have moved from September/October to August placing it in the >>>> way of European holidays. With the bulk of our contributors in Europe this >>>> has affected how many of our contributors can attend. >>>> >>>> *Guidance: *Request September / October event (to maximize contributors >>>> who can attend). >>>> >>>> I understand next years event has plans to turn this into a holiday for >>>> families which is a cunning plan. >>>> >>>> 7) travel / accommodation >>>> >>>> I would like to avoid prime tourist season to avoid asking attendees pay >>>> high airfair and accommodation costs. >>>> We did not have the number in the affordability report to back this up >>>> (but Michael Smith was going to look things up). >>>> >>>> *Guidance: *Request September / October event (to avoid peak tourist >>>> season). >>>> >>>> Followed by: >>>> >>>> > 5) diversity >>>> >>>> On reflection I am a bit uncomfortable offering guidance here - lacking >>>> the needed perspective. I would ask that the >>>> conference committee consider diversity >>>> as a selection criteria, but would hold off on providing specific >>>> advice listed above. I recognize that the board as a whole is a diverse >>>> body and may be in position to offer guidance. >>>> >>>> I just don't think it is my place either as a board member (need to trust >>>> the marketing committee) or as a white male (can offer only concern, not >>>> perspective). >>>> >>>> Aside: This whole discussion has increased my respect for the conference >>>> committee, this is tough stuff. I thank those who contribute positively as >>>> part of the conference committee. >>>> >>>> >>>> The thing to note is that as a board member we can offer guidance, or in >>>> extreme cases provide a mandate to a group that wishes to act. I you asked >>>> me "HOW do you wish to correct this" the answer would be to join the >>>> conference committe and help out, an ability each of us has as a volunteer. >>>> >>>> The conference committee has my trust, and as I understand they are deeply >>>> aware and concerned about this issue. >>>> -- >>>> Jody Garnett >>>> >>>> On 15 October 2017 at 16:56, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> We actually have solid numbers for this, a report was provided at the >>>>> Boston meeting that kind of answers this to my satisfaction. >>>>> >>>>> I was waiting for it to be shared with the membership, since your >>>>> question was one I have been asked repeatedly over the last six months, >>>>> especially at foss4ge. >>>>> >>>>> I would really like you to be able to read the report and reach your own >>>>> conclusion. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:45 PM Ravi Kumar >>>>> <manarajahmundry2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Question (would be Board). 'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to >>>>>> be a hangout for those who can afford it'.. costs (of participation) are >>>>>> so high that many might not afford.. If selected to the board HOW do you >>>>>> wish to correct this.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ravi Kumar >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Jody Garnett >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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