Hi Eli,
With the aim of addressing you concern, the date of
nomination and Jeff's involvement, as co-CRO, in the
election was verified. Both these points were
back to you via the discuss list.
My understanding was that the procedures were followed
and therefore I did not request for the matter to be deliberated
by the board. Also, none of the other board member had
requested for the matter to be deliberated by the board.
Rather than matter being of no concern to the board, I think
that the others in the present board were also of the same opinion
as that stated by Mike below, and hence no further discussion
on this matter was taken up by the board.
Best
Venka
On 10/19/2017 4:36 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
What it says is that "The CRO is not eligible for election to the board
while serving as CRO". And that was followed. It doesn't say anything
about being nominated. Resigning from the position, allows Jeff to accept
the nomination. I'm not speaking for the board, just for myself. But in my
opinion, proper procedure was followed.
Mike
Michael Smith
OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
treasu...@osgeo.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us>
Reply-To: <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us>
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:26 PM
To: Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>
Cc: Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com>, OSGeo Discussions
<discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, CRO <c...@osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Jeff McKenna
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Michael Smith
<michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
Frankly, as a current board member, from what I¹ve seen, everything was
properly followed. As soon as he was nominated, Jeff stepped down as co
CRO.
It was all above board and transparent.
So then perhaps I'm correct in concluding, in the absence of any Board
action on the legitimacy of the CRO accepting a nomination, I am left
to conclude that this issue is of no concern to the Board.
In my opinion, it would be worth the Board deliberating and taking a
position. This goes back to my initial comment:
I don't think that you can nominate the CRO, nor can the CRO accept
your nomination, https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chief_Returning_Officer.
In some past years the CRO was a sitting Board member with a year
remaining on their term thus avoiding this situation.
In my evaluation, the person offering the nomination failed in that
they not only did not follow the process but also nominated the CRO.
The CRO failed in that they accepted the position of CRO while there
was a possibility that they would run. The CRO also failed in that
they then accepted a nomination. And really it is the Board's failure
in my opinion:
It is really the Board's (and CRO's) responsibility to ensure that
this situation doesn't occur. The Board should not appoint CROs who
might accept a nomination and people who might accept a nomination
should not accept appointment as CRO. Maybe we should return to the
tradition of the CRO being a sitting Board member with a year
remaining on their term. CRO is a difficult job and much credit to
those who do it.
But these are just my opinions. But I think that I am now correct in
concluding, in the absence of any Board action on the legitimacy of
the CRO accepting a nomination, this issue is of no concern to the
Board.
Best regards, Eli
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Eli the board did not deliberate, you can see the board email list. I
have
been glad for individual such as yourself caring, speaking up, and
hopefully
attending the next board meeting.
I think we have all learned a lot this election period, and cannot
thank the
cro enough for keeping up.
I trust the next board meeting will provide an update from the cro and
an
opportunity for discussion. The board is in a strange situation during
elections, handing over control of the process to the CRO, and with 1/2
the
participants at the end of their term. If you track the most recent
board
meetings several items have been deferred to the next board, so I
understand
the board not feeling able to deliberate in the middle of elections.
It is also important to trust the CRO to act in good faith on behalf of
our
organization. I did speak up when I was concerned that member list had
not
been updated and would interfere in the CRO performing their task - but
that
was it.
This is a hard lesson to learn, when to deliberate and when to
encourage.
Many of the deliberations about foss4g affordability were left until the
Boston F2F meeting, to avoid distracting from the excellent work being
done
by the BLOC. If if well intentioned, deliberating during the course of
an
activity can distract contributors and bring out feelings of "why
bother". I
think this was the bickering referenced during the candidates debate
yesterday.
Finally as a candidate in this election I could not see a clear way to
deliberate the current election that would not be viewed as a personal
attack, or dismissed as campaigning.
--
Jody Garnett
On 18 October 2017 at 10:23, Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Jorge Sanz <js...@osgeo.org> wrote:
HI Eli,
If I recall correctly, we answered you that Jeff immediately resigned
from
his position as CRO and he has not been involved at all in any Board
elections CRO activity so everything is correctly handled except
(and we
apologized for that) the lack of a Trac ticket for the alias change.
Thanks Jorge. I know those are the events that happened, however, I
never saw the Board deliberate and consider whether that is acceptable
or not. In my opinion, it is not, however I'm not on the Board, nor
is one Director's opinion a position of the Board. In the absence of
any Board action on the legitimacy of the CRO accepting a nomination,
I was left to conclude "that this issue is of no concern to the
Board."
Has the Board deliberated or considered this? Did they take a
position?
The reason to have a process and follow it even when you maybe don't
"need" it, is so that you also follow the process when you *do* need
it.
Best regards, Eli
Kind regards
On 18 October 2017 at 18:07, Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:
Hi Venka, all,
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us>
wrote:
Hi Venka,
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Venkatesh Raghavan
<ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> wrote:
Hi Eli,
First of all, thanks to Jorge for volunteering to be co-CRO
and fixing the CRO alias promptly.
Yes, thanks Jorge.
Regarding your other comment reproduced below;
The Board did not appear to review this topic at
their last meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-10-05, so perhaps
it
is
of no concern to the Board.
The question of review this topic at the 2017-10-05 board meeting
did
not
arise
as the nomination for our ex-co-CRO was filed on 2017-10-08.
Thanks for fixing my mistake, I misunderstood the dates and
thought
that nomination for our ex-co-CRO was filed on 2017-10-01. Sorry
to
suggest that it was of no concern to the Board when it is actually
unknown.
It appears that voting has now started and I don't see any Board
threads on the legitimacy of the CRO accepting a nomination,
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2017-October/thread.html
I would like to assure you that I share your concern about the
proper
process.
Great, I hope that the Board follows the proper process. I'll
stop
making noise and allow the proper process to work.
Should I now conclude that this issue is of no concern to the Board?
Best regards, Eli
Best regards, Eli
Best
Venka
On 10/12/2017 1:58 AM, Jorge Sanz wrote:
Hi Eli,
I did it yesterday without having a ticket involved. My bad
sorry.
I confirm that the CRO alias is now sending emails only to Vasile
and
me.
--
Jorge Sanz
https://jorgesanz.net
Sent from my phone, excuse my brevity and typos
El 11 oct. 2017 18:36, "Eli Adam" <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us>
escribió:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Fenoy Gerald
<gerald.fe...@geolabs.fr>
wrote:
Dear Eli,
as you may have notice, Jeff has stepped down from his position
of
co-CRO when accepting the Nicolas¹ nomination [1].
I didn't find that thread while scanning through the archive.
Thanks
for pointing it out to me.
Jeff was involved in the charter member election process as
co-CRO
but
he is no more so, I guess, there is no issue for the board
election.
Was the c...@osgeo.org email alias updated? I didn't notice a
ticket
for that. I'm impressed that there is so little concern about
the
proper process. The Board did not appear to review this topic at
their last meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-10-05, so perhaps
it
is
of no concern to the Board.
Best regards, Eli
Best regards,
[1]
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-October/036449.html
Gérald Fenoy
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Djay
Le 11 oct. 2017 à 16:04, Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us> a
écrit :
Nicolas,
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, nicolas bozon
<nicolas.bo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of
Directors
election.
I don't think that you can nominate the CRO, nor can the CRO
accept
your nomination,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chief_Returning_Officer.
In some past years the CRO was a sitting Board member with a year
remaining on their term thus avoiding this situation.
Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo,
and i
would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless
contributions
over the years, at every level of our Foundation. His leadership
and
long
involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities made him the
Winner
of
the
Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add more. For those of you
who
may
really not know Jeff yet, the User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a
good
read
before you vote.
Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep
understanding of
both the director role and the current OSGeo strategic plan.
Experienced
with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff also knows a lot about
projects
and
people. He is always ready to help build locally and to represent
globally.
Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader,
and
i
believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please let
us
all
welcome Jeff back at the Board!
Best regards,
Nicolas Bozon
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Jeff McKenna agreed to be nominated and i decided to send the
nomination
directly to the Discuss list with cc to CRO, so it avoids Jeff to
confirm to
himself that he accepts the nomination. The Board Nominations
page
still
need to be updated, could you please Vasile ? Sorry for
shortening
the
nomination process in this special case.
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The point is not to avoid Jeff confirming to himself that he
accepts
the nomination, it is to avoid the CRO running an election and
counting votes when they are also standing for election. It is
really
the Board's (and CRO's) responsibility to ensure that this
situation
doesn't occur. The Board should not appoint CROs who might
accept a
nomination and people who might accept a nomination should not
accept
appointment as CRO. Maybe we should return to the tradition of
the
CRO being a sitting Board member with a year remaining on their
term.
CRO is a difficult job and much credit to those who do it. Also,
someone (other than me) should be paying attention to the basic
process and raise these issues.
Best regards, Eli
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