I think that a $40+(optional pledge) or $10 for students option would be good.
$10 gets you in the door, gets you a vote; but does not get you keys and you need to be a student (by claim only, not by documentation). Students would need to throw in like $5 in the drink machine to show up for any particular event outside the regular meetings. If a student needs a key (fob), they could buy one for a one-time $20 payment to cover the administrative work of setting up a key fob / paying for the FOB itself. $40 (or more if you want to) gets you current membership privileges. Just a thought. On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > More numbers: > > "Freeside is $80/month for regulars, and $40 for "starving > hackers"/students." > > "Makers Local 256 has a "pledge" model. You pledge whatever you want > your monthly amount to be. I love this model but it's difficult to > convince others to try it." > > "we are working on amending/changing Quelab's but for the last 2 years > we have been pretty much one main level, ($35 a month), and visitors, $5 > per visit. we are working at having some prepaid visit "punch cards", > and some family membership pricing, and also probably upping our pricing > just a bit, to offset paypal and banking/insurance fees." > > I'll post more as they come. If anybody wants to make a summary on the > wiki or something, that'd be greatly appreciated! > > Ron > > On 2012-10-15 15:26, Jay Smith wrote: > > Totalitarian Treasurer checking in. > > > > Reduction for non-student/cash-strapped members: > > I will not support a membership fee reduction for non-students. We are > > already strapped for cash and we are not in the business of becoming a > > hostel. Non-student members who can not pay $40.00/month will be given > two > > weeks warning to pay their dues or have their memberships and access > > revoked. I do follow the hackerspace patterns as close as possible and > the > > line about being a "Totalitarian Treasurer" is near and dear to what was > > once my heart :-) > > > > If you are unable to pay fees, your best bet is to cancel your membership > > until such a time that you can pay. You're always welcome to reapply when > > you are able. > > > > Student Memberships: > > I have no strong opinion on the idea of student memberships. It's not > much > > extra work and it does seem to be an accepted practice for most > > hacker-spaces I've looked into. If anybody can compile a current > collection > > of fee structures from across Canada and the US for tomorrow's meeting, > it > > would make for great research. I'm particularly interested in seeing: > > > > - % of hackerspaces with student membership options > > - Average student membership cost > > - Average full membership cost for all hackerspaces > > - Average full membership cost for hackerspaces that offer student > discounts > > - Average full membership cost for hackerspaces that do no offer student > > discounts > > > > I'd do it myself, but I have to admit that I simply don't have time to > > compile even more data tonight. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I think that's great advice. > > > > > > I've tried to follow the design patterns from hackerspaces.org as > often > > > as it's possible and as often as it makes sense for us. It doesn't > > > always make sense, of course, but more often than not they're pretty > > > good. > > > > > > I'm not saying we should make policy decisions based entirely on the > > > pattern, just that if the patterns say it's a good idea, it might > > > actually be a good idea. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > On 2012-10-15 14:38, Justin Lacko wrote: > > > > And FWIW the hackerspaces.org model has a few things that operate on > > > > the "paranoia" such as this one: > > > > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Sponsoring_Anti-Pattern so I > wouldn't > > > > take that site as gospel. But what do I know? > > > > > > > > On 15 October 2012 14:35, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> wrote: > > > > > What kind of reduction are we looking at here? Is, say $10 a month > > > > > really the deciding factor for anybody for not becoming a member? > > > > > > > > > > I think $40 is already as cheap as we can go. If anything I'd say > make > > > > > $40 the student rate and re-jigger (Mak's word) the regular member > > > > > rate. $40 is incredibly cheap for ~4200 sq. ft. of 24/7 access to a > > > > > space with tools, computers, a lounge, a budding arcade, and > > > > > developing electrical. > > > > > > > > > > On 15 October 2012 14:28, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > > > >> > > > > >> Hey guys, > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm forwarding along a suggestion from David Stewart, who's not > > > > >> currently a member but is interested in SkullSpace. Based on what > he > > > > >> says, and some reading I've done, I think we should re-visit the > idea > > > of > > > > >> student memberships. > > > > >> > > > > >> I was traditionally against it, but I'm starting to come around. > It > > > > >> helps that I re-read the hackerspace design patterns and it > includes > > > > >> this one: > http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Membership_Fees_Pattern > > > > >> > > > > >> Which includes the text, "Collect fees regularly. Make no > exceptions, > > > > >> ever. Choose an appropriate amount. Have discounts for students. > Have > > > at > > > > >> least three months of rent on your account, all the time, no > > > exceptions. > > > > >> Elect a totalitarian treasurer." > > > > >> > > > > >> The issues I've had in the past with it - keeping everybody equal, > > > etc - > > > > >> I think we can set aside for the purposes of getting more members > / > > > more > > > > >> interest / more events / etc. Another issue was how we manage it - > > > and I > > > > >> think honour system is fine. If you're going to school full-time, > and > > > > >> you tell us you are, that's good enough. If we don't believe you, > then > > > > >> you probably shouldn't be a member anwyays. > > > > >> > > > > >> It would create extra work for Jay - to switch members from > student to > > > > >> regular when necessary - so he definitely has a say in this. > > > > >> > > > > >> Students could, of course, choose to pay the full amount, if > they'd > > > > >> like. :) > > > > >> > > > > >> Thoughts? > > > > >> > > > > >> Ron > > > > >> > > > > >> - ----- Forwarded message from David Stewart < > > > david.b.e.stew...@gmail.com> ----- > > > > >> > > > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:15:37 -0500 > > > > >> From: David Stewart <david.b.e.stew...@gmail.com> > > > > >> To: r...@skullsecurity.org > > > > >> Subject: Skullspace student/casual memberships > > > > >> > > > > >> Hello Ron, > > > > >> > > > > >> Over the past year I have sporadically attended various > events at > > > > >> Skullspace (Most notably Mak's C course) and while I would like to > > > become a > > > > >> full member, there has always been a few things that have held me > back > > > > >> (mostly due to lack of time). Compounding my existing lack of > time > > > problem > > > > >> is that since have I started school full time at the U of M, the > > > amount of > > > > >> free time I have has taken a dive off a cliff. Furthermore, > being a > > > full > > > > >> time student, has rendered me more or less broke. > > > > >> > > > > >> I would like to contribute to the success of Skullspace, but > $40 a > > > > >> month is beyond my reach financially for now, and quite frankly > with > > > my > > > > >> dwindling free time I could hardly spend any time at all at the > space > > > > >> anyways. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm sure you see where I am going with this, but I will ask > the > > > > >> question directly.... Has there ever been discussion about > > > memberships for > > > > >> student/casual members? - Perhaps key less if need be, and/or > based on > > > > >> hours at the space per month, non-voting (or 1/2 of a vote), > without a > > > > >> dedicated storage spot etc. ? I realize that this has the > potential > > > to be > > > > >> a slippery slope of "special treatment", but could a fair system > be > > > hashed > > > > >> out? To me it seems that this could help to open up membership > to a > > > wider > > > > >> audience and increase the amount of membership dues collected each > > > month > > > > >> without causing a significant increase in operating > > > > >> costs.......Additionally, this could help to make Skullspace a > more > > > > >> inclusive community. (Not that it is particularly exclusionary > at the > > > > >> moment!) > > > > >> > > > > >> Anyways it's just a thought, I'll leave it to you and the > Skullspace > > > group > > > > >> to make the decisions on this, but feel free to ask me questions > and > > > I'll > > > > >> do my best to get back to you asap. > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> > > > > >> David Stewart > > > > >> > > > > >> - ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > >> > > > > >> iEYEARECAAYFAlB8Y94ACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/QmTQCg3asSucA+sQ7tmhyg3OZmEgDn > > > > >> P+oAn0uoAcEd3CF8plbHAAwB5h0jbcPe > > > > >> =ju56 > > > > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > >> Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > >> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAlB8aFcACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RJrwCfTVP2eHyTJhtiVwU4FWP9N8hG > > > NBkAoM+pqgnRJ/mUuifs1/fMztlSTq7V > > > =iGqa > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlB8hwMACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/SD7gCglGl5TAkp4Sfc483VXzKaoIyp > 5RYAn1kYSlEjd8d4AvYnkJtg97nBznU6 > =bz6b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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