-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Actually, no, I forgot about that. Make that three people willing to put in $100/month each to rent space from us. The third person was at the meeting tonight, I don't want to call him out to confirm he meant it.
If anybody else is interested in the deal - $100 for some dedicated work space or $50 for some storage space, say? - please let me know. If we can get a couple more people willing to go in on this, it'll make a huge difference! Ron On 2012-10-24 00:50, chris kluka wrote: > I suspect ron is speaking of me as the 2nd person; > > I am looking for a place to host my CCNA/CCNP/CCIE:Voice lab equipment. (a > 25 u rack on wheels with a bunch of cisco routers/switches/phones and a 1u > server). > > I do not require (much) internet; just some SSH and RDP connectivity for my > own lab use. Other skullspace members are welcome to play around with the > equipment while I am not using it for their own edification. > > I can throw in $100/month to have a dedicated 25 some-odd square feet > (enough space for the rack, a 2.5x4 foot desk, and a chair) and some power > (while i'm using it, not 24x7). > > -- Chris > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Adrian Stoness <tdk.kni...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > interesting > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I now know two people - both of whom are SkullSpace members and one of > >> whom is me - who will pay $100/month on top of their memberships for > >> having their own working space. That's an extra $200/month. > >> > >> I think I've convinced a company to throw in $1500 - $2000 as a donation > >> to help with the up-front costs for staying. The rest of the amount > >> would have to be amortized somehow. > >> > >> We (by which I mean you) need to get the Awesome Foundation running, > >> because the first project I plan to vote for is 'SkullSpace electrical'. > >> We could do with $1000. :) > >> > >> Ron > >> > >> On 2012-10-24 00:21, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > >> > Oh, and ONE MORE THING > >> > > >> > I averaged the electric and gas, but we’re going into the expensive > >> colder months with the gas. By December and January, we’ve estimated $500 > >> usage for gas alone. > >> > (Thus the insulation question. We could probably save a couple hundred > >> each month with some good insulation, providing it doesn’t cost thousands.) > >> > > >> > From: Michael Kozakewich > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:00 AM > >> > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > >> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Lease Numbers > >> > > >> > Oh, I forgot a couple things. While we’re here, we get that $42/month > >> credit. I took that out because it’s not something we’d make if we left, > >> and that’s the number I was looking for. Perhaps I should have just taken > >> this off of the lease. > >> > > >> > So, I said we were assuming we needed $2080, but with that $42 it > >> becomes $2038 or whatever (I probably have a few dollars in rounding errors > >> by now). Long-term, this space could be $1818/month. We just have to pay a > >> lot for a few years. > >> > > >> > That number includes the $450 discretionary spending. Essentially, we > >> can do this, AND do the electrical, AND still spend $300-400 every month on > >> things. > >> > > >> > Breakdown in monthly output: > >> > -Rent: $504 > >> > -‘tricity & Gas: average $544 > >> > -Our own spending: $545 (incl. cleaning, but not snacks, which pay for > >> themselves) > >> > > >> > Next Questions: > >> > -Can we reduce that old-bills amount? AssentWorks paid it without > >> question, because it was worth that much to them. Is it asking too much to > >> get them to pay a little more of it? At best, they MUST accept us paying it > >> over three or more years. > >> > -Can we find another place with roughly 2675 sq.ft. for about > >> $1800-$2000? That includes heating costs. If it’s crappy and we pay for > >> gas, like here, the space itself would have to be roughly $500 cheaper. > >> > -How much does our gas cost? Have we gotten any bills, yet, and can we > >> apply them to the monthly Jenkins estimates for August, September, and > >> October? (See if our bill this month ends up being $200.) We could be > >> overestimating, though not by much if so. > >> > -Is that $8000 for everything, including old bills and contractor work? > >> Or did I miss another $5000? That would break us. > >> > -That final workshop with the windows would only fetch $80 or so if we > >> gave it to AssentWorks. Can we get a tenant in there? How much would we > >> make from that? > >> > -How much discretionary spending is required? I’m assuming we run some > >> real risks at anything below $300, but we could probably still operate > >> below $450. > >> > -How much could we save with some basic insulation? I’m talking about > >> insulating the lounge ceiling, and possibly the walls around the lounge or > >> the classroom ceiling. A couple-hundred’s-worth every month would probably > >> be worth it. > >> > -Does AssentWorks want us to stay? We should work out some deals with > >> them right now to sweeten this arrangement. Access to a shared wood-working > >> space would be a good one to start with, and would add quite a bit of > >> value. (We obviously won’t have enough space for it if we move.) > >> > > >> > From: Michael Kozakewich > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:55 PM > >> > To: SkullSpace Discuss > >> > Subject: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Lease Numbers > >> > > >> > At this exact moment, we aren’t yet paying for electricity. We’re > >> costed a little over $1000/month – about $1475 after a $450 discretionary > >> budget. We’re actually doing really good with this, but of course taking in > >> a few hundred dollars of cost quickly eats into these margins. > >> > (I guess we’re paying for gas, now? That could increase our cost by > >> $500, if the estimates are correct. We just don’t know right now. That > >> would peg us at $1500/month, at most, or $1950 after spending.) > >> > > >> > A membership of 40 and snacks of $300, as well as $100 of donations and > >> merch, gives us $2000/month, easily. Thus why we chose $450 as > >> ‘discretionary spending’. It’s what we’ve got left over. > >> > > >> > Mark Jenkins made that great spreadsheet of costs (though he forgot > >> about $120/month in insurance). According to that, we’re paying an average > >> of $1568/month (more in the winter, less in the summer). With $450 > >> discretionary tacked on, that’s $2018. Add the $120 insurance, and our goal > >> was $2138. > >> > > >> > The latest details: Old electrical bills, and additional metering, > >> possibly with renovations added, for $8000 total. For the sake of things, > >> I’m going to split that into three-year montly costs, or $222.22. > >> > I’m not entirely sure if that was old bills, the metering, and the > >> costs of getting a contractor in, or if the contractor was a separate > >> $5000. Can Jay or someone clarify? > >> > That sits us at an average raw cost of $1910, just barely below our > >> spending limit, and not tenable with our current membership rate (we don’t > >> want to rely on snack prices). If we wanted the $450 discretionary > >> spending, we’d need $2360. > >> > > >> > Justin’s plan #1 will sell the war room and elevator room to > >> AssentWorks for about $200. Plan #2 will also include the back > >> workshop/storage area, for $284 back. (The slides include some odd numbers, > >> I think because they recalibrated the space measurements. Mine are based on > >> what we’re paying now, compared to this.) > >> > > >> > So, we were assuming we needed $2138, with Mark’s numbers. Tack on the > >> new $222.22, and we’d need $2360/month if we take on the new lease. With > >> Plan #1, that would reduce to $2160. With Plan #2, that would be $2080. > >> > > >> > So, there you have it. Any other spaces we look at must be below > >> $2360/month, and preferably below $2000/month, or there’s no point. This is > >> still a cheapish place. > >> > > >> > According to this, after 3 years, that monthly amount will drop by > >> $222/month. > >> > So, long-term, this space could be $1860/month. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > More later, I guess! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAlCHf/QACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/Ry+wCfQcNs6xg1CaT7oCN47Auzdv9n > >> WZoAn1vz+sDu85hTurKyNtIcXLiY20rt > >> =SWH6 > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCHgsMACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TmTQCgmjheth+bdlEdOT0HETKCrYf8 P+EAnj9vmgZNzqkhOOlu7UrTk5ZDtHd4 =2LlB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
