As someone who (in the last 4 months) has spent > 60 hours volunteering time and loaning effectively (tens of) thousands of dollars of equipment to the Cyber Defense Challenge, I don't feel that I have any particular control or ownership of the CDC.
I had time and resources available and the CDC required them. I gave the time and resources I had because it seemed like a good thing to do, not because no one else could have or because I was asked to do so. Similarly, I think this whole issue with skullspace is silly. If people are able to contribute more, and they choose to do so, awsome. No one is being forced or coerced into giving resources. People give resources because they have resources to give and feel that allowing whoever they give those resources to to use them will be a better use of those resources than using them themselves. I don't step out on this mailing list very often, but seriously, I really don't see the point of this discussion. If someone writes some cheques or donates some time or (whatever else), don't look around to everyone else to 'keep up with the Joneses', just say thank you. -- Chris On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Brittany Postnikoff <bpostnik...@gmail.com>wrote: > That is a very negative attitude Sui. Money and contributions should not > equal ownership. A lot of people are volunteering time instead of money in > the space. Any help should be appreciated, not seen as loss of ownership. > > Positive initiatives are: > Getting members > Hosting events > Cleaning the space > Getting a grant > Spreading the Skullspace name > Looking for sponsorship > > Find positives in a situation and the things we can do in the future > instead of knocing down the things happening now. > On 2013-05-17 5:02 PM, "Roswyne" <rosw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's a start, but it relies on optional charity. If our true operating >> costs are higher that listed dues will cover, it would make more sense to >> raise the dues, perhaps offering a reduced rate to those on a limited >> income. >> >> But more than regular expenses, it's the one-time repairs that keep >> getting paid by the same people over and over. We're very lucky they're so >> generous, but I fear it's generating ignorance &/or apathy. >> >> For example, it doesn't effectively matter if anyone washes their own >> dishes, so long as Nate washes them every week. >> >> It doesn't matter if the club can't afford to upgrade the security >> software, as long as Ian is willing to pay for it. >> >> We don't need to replace filters in the Brita jug if Ron is willing to >> buy a watercooler. >> >> That's their club now, not mine or yours. >> On May 17, 2013 4:45 PM, "Jeremy Hiebert" <jkhieb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *"I think participation from more of the group would more effectively >>> show the true costs of setting up and maintaining the club... And would >>> encourage a sense of ownership and community among a larger portion of the >>> membership."* >>> >>> If I remember correctly, when Justin asked who would be willing to >>> donate above the $40 per month, back at the old space, the vast majority >>> volunteered more money. If that isn't exactly what you are saying should >>> happen than I don't know what is. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Roswyne <rosw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think it's healthy (financially or emotionally) to rely on >>>> subsidies from a small number of people. >>>> >>>> I think participation from more of the group would more effectively >>>> show the true costs of setting up and maintaining the club... And would >>>> encourage a sense of ownership and community among a larger portion of the >>>> membership. >>>> On May 17, 2013 4:15 PM, "Ron" <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2013-05-17 15:11, Roswyne wrote: >>>>> > I dream of the day when the membership as a whole can participate in >>>>> group >>>>> > fundraising projects to meet our needs instead of being subsidized by >>>>> > angels with money to burn. >>>>> What's wrong with what we're doing, exactly? >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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