I apologize if it sounded like I was crying doom. Last I heard, predictable monthly income is less that predicted monthly expenses: if my information is out of date, that's great!
How often should we bring the service in then, and what should we have them do? I'm not sure that we have regular volunteers for any of the following, which should probably be done at least weekly: * dirty dishes * gathering garbage and taking it to the bin (and putting new bags in the cans) * dealing with recyclables On Jan 13, 2014 2:40 PM, "Jeremy Hiebert" <jkhieb...@gmail.com> wrote: > We are not losing money every month. And if for some reason we are doing > some vote on cleaning, my vote is yes. Definitely need a cleaning service. > > If someone wants to donate money to cleaning, just drop the money in one > of the boxes. > > We will let you know if we are about to go broke. :) Stop calling dooms > day. > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Roswyne <rosw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, not everyone makes it to meetings regularly, and I'm not sure why >> email wouldn't be appropriate to discuss this. >> >> Aside from the ongoing expense, I am still concerned that people will >> assume "that's why we pay for cleaning service", and continue leaving >> messes at the space. >> >> To put it bluntly, I can wipe the toilet seat before using it if it >> grosses me out. If we get bugs or mice from the garbage only being taken >> out once a month, that's a much bigger problem, and one which will cause >> issues with the landlord. >> >> On Jan 13, 2014 12:50 PM, "Ron" <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: >> >>> I don't think we're losing money each month. Ian or Jeremy would be >>> better to ask, but I think in the grand scheme of things we're mostly >>> breaking even. And cleanliness is pretty darn important to keeping a >>> good image! >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> On 2014-01-13 12:28, Roswyne wrote: >>> > Ok, an informal discussion at a weekly meeting is fine: I didn't mean >>> to >>> > say it had to be a formal, balloted vote. >>> > >>> > But if we're losing money every month, I don't think we should be >>> taking on >>> > such expenses... and others might agree. >>> > On Jan 13, 2014 12:17 PM, "Ron" <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Expenses of that level don't require a vote per our bylaws. >>> > > Traditionally, we usually do best-effort consensus: that is, bring >>> it up >>> > > in the meeting and get a rough consensus. If people are generally in >>> > > favour or apathetic, we do it. If they're generally against it, we >>> look >>> > > for other options. >>> > > >>> > > Ron >>> > > >>> > > On 2014-01-13 01:08, Roswyne wrote: >>> > > > Ian, when she was hired, I understood this to be an expense you >>> were >>> > > > personally covering, due to frequently working at the space. >>> > > > >>> > > > Is this shifting to a SkSp expense? If so, we need to vote in it. >>> I'm >>> > > > against taking on additional expenses until we're actually >>> breaking even. >>> > > > On Jan 12, 2014 7:51 PM, "Ian Trump" <itr...@octopitech.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > I second what Siu said. More complex financial analysis is >>> beyond both >>> > > > > the tools and capability of the volunteer board at present. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There is/was a membership tracking project to create a >>> SkullSpace >>> > > > > membership portal with administrative and accounting features - >>> it has >>> > > > > languished due to resource constraints. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On a more positive side, Grace Polson the cleaning woman will be >>> > > > > attending SkullSpace tomorrow morning to begin regular monthly >>> > > cleaning. I >>> > > > > expect this expense to be around 100 per >>> > > > > Month. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Ian >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Sent from my iPhone >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On 2014-01-12, at 19:37, "Roswyne" <rosw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Typically the requested donation for food or drink at the >>> space is >>> > > > > double the cost, rounded. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > i.e. the average cost of canned drinks might be $0.56/can, but we >>> > > round it >>> > > > > up and request a dollar. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > If we assume that sort of pricing, and that everyone is honest >>> and up >>> > > to >>> > > > > date, then you can estimate the profit as being roughly equal to >>> costs. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Otherwise, you'd have to take inventory regularly and strictly >>> separate >>> > > > > food & drink money from general donations, which I think isn't a >>> good >>> > > use >>> > > > > of volunteer time. :) >>> > > > > On Jan 12, 2014 6:07 PM, "Jeremy Hiebert" <jkhieb...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> I'll need to interface with Ian and find out where we are at >>> right >>> > > now. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Nathan Wild < >>> nathan.w...@gmail.com >>> > > >wrote: >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >>> Thanks Jeremy! >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> Is there a summary of intake vs expenditure available >>> anywhere? I'd >>> > > > >>> love to see this - particularly as we are poised to buy more >>> stuff... >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> If not maybe now would be a good time to take a snapshot of >>> > > > >>> profitability, as we have nothing on-hand for snacks. >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> Nathan T. Wild >>> > > > >>> On Jan 12, 2014 3:12 PM, "Jeremy Hiebert" < >>> jkhieb...@gmail.com> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>>> Justin, all drink, food, and donations that are dropped in >>> the box >>> > > are >>> > > > >>>> lumped under donations. We can't actually "sell" food and >>> drink. >>> > > Those >>> > > > >>>> boxes are emptied weekly and yes, they are counted. >>> > > > >>>> >>> > > > >>>> >>> > > > >>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Ian Trump < >>> itr...@octopitech.com >>> > > >wrote: >>> > > > >>>> >>> > > > >>>>> Dish drying towels. >>> > > > >>>>> >>> > > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > > > >>>>> >>> > > > >>>>> On 2014-01-12, at 14:07, "Alex Weber" <alexw...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > > >>>>> >>> > > > >>>>> > Hey everyone, >>> > > > >>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>> > Nate is making a Costco run and has room for some >>> SkullSpace >>> > > > >>>>> shopping. What are we out of? 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