True and as you say, APH I doubt would have say the resources that
Apple or Microsoft or a large corporation would.
On 31/05/2006, at 7:33 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
In their defense, its a matter of time and money. They have to
develop products based on the most widely used platform. Now having
said that, I agree with you completely, but its a matter of
resources and using those resources in the most effective manner
possible.
So, again I agree, but you get the point.
Scott
On May 30, 2006, at 1:58 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Well APH (like all oother blindness agency's and organisations),
if they're serious about serving their clients should have
software for their products available for whatever operating
systems have accessability available for their clients.
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On 30/05/2006, at 10:43 AM, Dan Keys wrote:
Hi,
In fact, I'd really like to see APH include a Mac compatible
transfer software package for the BookPort. I have also written
them requesting such a thing. Reminding them that people are
switching to the Mac because of VoiceOver.
On May 29, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Dennis Freedman wrote:
Hi Travis and others
I have no argument with what you say about the device itself,
apart from there have been times when I just have not been able
to tell whether or not the Shuffle was actually functioning,
i.e. had enough power to function - the light does give this
info to a sighted user.
That apart, it's not the accessibility or otherwise of the
device itself that is the problem in my view, but rather the
software that allows importing of files. Itunes on the Mac is
extremely difficult to use; Itunes on the Windows platform is
better but I still have problems quickly and consistently
putting files onto the Shuffle. WinAmp for Windows has a plug-in
that allows you to see the Shuffle as a separate device and this
usually works. But there have been times when I've thought files
had gone across, or the Shuffle had been synchronised or updated
correctly and found there was nothing on the Shuffle at all -
probably because older files had been deleted but the update
process had not completed properly.
From an access point of view, itw as immediately apparent to my
sighted son that the files had not gone through (I'm using the
Windows WinAmp and Itunes software here).
Having tried several devicces, including the old Archos JukeBox
recorder (bnow with RockBox and therefor some quite good speech
output), but am still seriously thinking about buying something
like the Book Courrier, purely and simply for the immediate
feedback given by the built-in speech synthesiser for not only
menus but also names of files on the system, etc.
Each to his own, and to be fair different devices serve
differing purposes as you say. My 20GB Archos is fine if I want
my whole collection of music with me, but bulky. The Shuffle's
great for taking on a walk, but still not always quick and
reliable for me to transfer files to in a logical way.
I have not yet, by the way, tried the suggestions with the
Shuffle on the Mac - that's the next step :)
On 29 May 2006, at 01:04, Travis Siegel wrote:
Useful/useless is often a function of the user. My guess is
that the folks who think the shuffle is useless are the ones
who *need* to see what they're looking at. It's not that the
shuffle isn't useful, it's that they don't want to take the
time to learn it. Simply using a visual system allows them to
not bother actually learning anything, they can simply follow
the prompts on screen, and thereby have full access to the device.
I still submit that the shuffle is accessible 100%.
Why?
Because it allows to access *all* of the functions of the
device without sighted assistance, and we do it exactly the
same way a sighted person does. If this isn't an accessible
device, then my guess you'll never find what you call an
accessible device.
Usefulness is simply a subjective judgment, and if sighted
folks call it useless, that doesn't mean it's not accessible.
There's lots of programs I don't use, because I find them
useless, but others both have no problem with them, and
consider them essential tools. That doesn't make them
inaccessible, it simply makes them not useful for me.
I don't think we need a flowchart for this one.
How many times have blind folks complained that a device
couldn't be accessed either at all, or in the same way sighted
folks do, then along comes the shuffle, which does both, and
still folks are calling it not accessible. I fail to see
what's inaccessible about it. Sure, you can't see (or hear)the
title of the songs, but guess what? The sighted person using
the shuffle can't see (or hear) that info eithher. I for one
am greatful anytime a device becomes available that's
accessible, even if it is accidental.
Plus, according to sale figures on the shuffle, I'm thinking a
*lot* of sighted folks find the shuffle just fine for their
purposes.
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