Gabe,
(I respectfully note) I think you're missing the point.  It doesn't
matter what you know or what you think is or is not in Leopard.  The
point is that you shouldn't be saying this or at least should be
communicating it in a fashion that makes it clear that it is just a
rumor.

As much as I'd like to reply to your concerns with what I think and
have observed to date in Leopard, I can't.  Because what you
disclosed, regardless of the veracity of your statement, would be
something covered under NDA.

Everything else is speculation.  Given that you said:
1. testers would tell you - which they can't legally in any way
2. that voiceover is buggy - how would you know unless you
tried/observed it yourself or were privy to such information?
3. braille is unsupported - again, you say you weren't privy to this
in a legal manner

Also might I note, a simple spotlight or gdesktop search might not
show something like that, so whether or not there is a valid result
would not be indicative of any support or lack thereof of braille in
leopard.

For what it's worth, things are taken out of and put into builds all
the time by everyone, not just Apple.  Any given semi-public/dev
build, even a WWDC build, is for development purposes so devs can have
a leopard-compatible application by the leopard ship date and as a
sidenote, for bug reporting purposes.  It is not necessarily feature
complete nor bug-free.  Unless you had the final build of Leopard
that's supposed to be shipping in October, or unless you were an
engineer at Apple working on certain things, you really wouldn't know
until the very end.

Only at that point, if you have concerns regarding voiceover or
braille support, is it then appropriate to file bug reports and
contact people you know.  Or if you want Apple's seed program to be
changed to include more people, such as yourself.  Keep in mind that
is not what the ADC seeding program is for though.  Also don't get too
frustrated, because there were plenty of people interested in Leopard
accessibility at WWDC and probably more ADC members in general so it's
not like accessibility features in Leopard are going to be ignored by
people.

cheers,
jane




On 7/14/07, The BlindTechs Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Josh, you killed it.

I never said

1. I have leopard
2. I never signed a nda
3. I aproached apple to sign a nda but was not excepted.

so does that answer all your worries.

and if apple wants to bring court action against me, they know where
to find me.


Gabe Vega
The BlindTech----tech of all techs
Board of directors Arizona Council of the Blind
Phoenix
602-903-3852
skype theblindtech



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