Shaun please contact me off list. I will do all I can to help you
with your Mac and Latex. I have used Latex somewhat extensively and
exclusively for my academic writing and letter writing.
Best Wishes
James
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On 20 Sep 2007, at 16:09, VaShaun Jones wrote:
Dude all I asked for is a Mac alternative to Word. I am very humble
and am not arrogant at all. I just put my mind to something and
master it. Also I don't know how to write anything no college
writing courses or anything like that. I just have a mind to be
competitive. I have one strike against me in that I am blind and
the other I will not mention, so I just want to be the best that I
can be. Please don't think that I feel that I am better than
anyone. Actually the other new guy on the list (I think his name is
Jed or Jeff) has surpassed me in what he has done with his Mac and
I am envious. That makes me know two things: one it can be done and
two, I can do it too. I wanted the Mac Book Pro for speed and
because it was the best notebook that Apple puts out. Now if this
sounds arrogant then I am sorry, but I work dam hard and I deserve
the best so yes I did need a Pro. With that said I will bow out of
this thread because all I wanted as the subject line says is a
alternative to Word.
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Jolley"
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: MS Word alternative
To a point but it comes over slightly arrogant.
Just because you can use a word processor or write well doesn't
make you any better than anyone else. Actually, you didn't really
need a mac book pro for VO, I only have the standard mac book and
I am doing perfectly fine.
----- Original Message ----- From: "VaShaun Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: MS Word alternative
What I do is bid on government contracts for local and state
scripting and training work for blind or low vision companies. MS
Word has been great but like I said I spend most of my time
formatting documents, as every bid is different. It is my
determination to create documents better than a sighted person. I
don't use word processors to type text I use it as a vehicle to
ensure that we have jobs as blind. I do this by being the best
example through my work. If they looked at my documents usually
about 75 pages and said it was OK to turn in shoddy work because
he is blind. That would infuriate me and make us as a whole go
back a few notches. I am willing to learn whatever is needed to
get ahead. I walked into Micro Center and said give me that big
bad Mac Book Pro, the guy asked if I was doing graphics design or
something. I smiled and told him nope just VO. He said then you
don't need that much computer for that. I said I will master it
in two months and come back and teach you a few things. I say all
of that because I asked for a perfect word processor and it
sounds like Latex is just that. I don't take the easy way out. I
hope you understand what I do and why I do it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Jolley"
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Hi Dane,
Yeah it seems odd to me. After all, if Tex is all its cracked up
to be wich it is in it's proper circle, why have screen reader
folks spent all this blody time getting office and other things
doable? Why not have everyone learn tex? After all, this guy
who is working for the government, surely they they should
train him on using it then?
On 20 Sep 2007, at 05:20, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ok, well my only further comment is to go and try these
things, I've made my points as have others, see what you think
but again I will state as others have that it sees odd to me
at least that you have to "learn" how to use a word processor,
formatting or no formatting, reports or no reports etc. I'm
curious to know exactly what you would do that anyone else
wouldn't, that is to say what you would do that any good word
processor wouldn't handle.
On 20/09/2007, at 8:52 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
Fine for you unfortunately for me. I use every aspect of
Windows imaginable for government reports and contracts and
they have to be perfect. I spend the majority of my time
formatting.
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Jolley"
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: MS Word alternative
Well, using TEX for it's intended purpose laying out formulas
is ideal. I still don't see the point in using it to write
standard texts though. Any good word processer will do the job
ust as well to be honest. It's up to yourselves though if you
want to jump through a thousand hoops to write anything I am
happy with word or whatever for standard work.
On 19 Sep 2007, at 21:56, James Austin wrote:
Wow! I have looked at that side of it, and I'm pleased I
don't study maths
On 19 Sep 2007, at 19:59, James Jolley wrote:
It's not that steep I use it all the time for mathematics
On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:18, Greg Kearney wrote:
That's right the learning curve is steep with TeX, the
rewards are well worth it however.
Greg
On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, James Austin wrote:
It is free, but please get in touch if you've not used it
before, it is not simply a case of typing as with a word
processor
On 19 Sep 2007, at 17:23, VaShaun Jones wrote:
I think I will be getting Latex . Is it totally
accessible and how much does it cost?
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Austin"
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: MS Word alternative
Hi,
Okay, well there is IText Express, a small free word
processing application, similar to Text Edit, which
provides the ability to add footnotes. There is also
Nisus Writer Express, or Nisus Writer Pro, you can
find these at
www.nisus.com
Neither Express or Pro are currently 100% usable with
VO, but very nearly. If you were thinking of purchasing
Nisus Writer, I would recommend the Pro version, as
that seems more accessible.
There is also Latex (pronouned Laytech), which is a
type- setin tool. It is extremely powerful and
versitle, but does require time to learn. Although,
the benefits are rewarding, especially for Blind users
in my personal opinion, as I use it exclusively for my
University assignments. I don't want to clutter the
list with discussions about Latex, so please feel free
to E Mail me off list, if you'd like to know more.
Hope this helps
James
On 19 Sep 2007, at 08:55, VaShaun Jones wrote:
Listers somewhere before I got familiar with my Mac
their was a discussion about a professional word
processor. I wanted to know what it was and how can I
get it? Note: one of its liked features is that you
don't have to worry about formatting (a lister
reported).
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