well, I hate to admit, but the yave improved its underpinnings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Panarese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: macbook for sale
No. I haven't read anything exactly thrilling to compel me to
try it. I just know Window-Eyes 6.1 is just a rock solid screen
reader considering that it has to run on top of Windows.
Take Care
John Panarese
On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:25 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
> gee john, have you seen jaws 9?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Panarese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
> X by
> theblind" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: macbook for sale
>
>
> Hi James,
> The bottom line is VO is going to improve. I really am not sure
> what you exactly mean with your two points, especially considering the
> reality that the Windows screen readers surely have their own set of
> limitations. In different ways, without a doubt, but I can list
> several shortcomings of Window-Eyes, for example, as much as I
> personally believe it to be far superior to JFW these days.
> Nevertheless, as I said before, patience is indeed a virtue.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
>
> On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:00 PM, James Austin wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I do understand where you ar coming from really I do
>> That is why I will be keeping my MacBook and keeping up-to-date, as
>> well as keeping on ear on what is happening with Voice Over.
>>
>> You asked what I felt disappointed me in Leopard. Honestly, it is
>> hard to put my finger on it, but I suspect it is at least the
>> following two things; firstly, I had expected that Voice Over would
>> be more than it has so far become. This is especially true in terms
>> of customization. Secondly, as i think I eluded to in my previous
>> post, I knew Tigers limitations, and accepted them, in the knowledge
>> that Leopard would be more forthcoming. I do not feel that it has
>> been, as yet.
>>
>> Also, as I am in the final year of my Degree, I feel that at least
>> for the present, Windows can offer me more of what i require, even
>> with its inherent difficulties.
>>
>> But I will keep my ear to the ground for Mac development regardless.
>>
>> Hope to speak soon
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> James
>> On 6 Nov 2007, at 18:08, John Panarese wrote:
>>
>>> Hi James,
>>> Like I said, accessibility comes down to ones personal needs and
>>> present situation. Thus, whatever works best for one is obviously
>>> the way to go. My point is I have been hearing all sorts of
>>> complaints about what Can't be done on the Mac when there are many
>>> work arounds or other approaches that have been offered by other
>>> Mac users. I am curious about what exactly Leopard did not
>>> deliver. I have been extremely impressed by what I have
>>> experienced, and it is obvious that Apple has committed itself to
>>> continued improvements to VoiceOver as time goes on. Beyond that,
>>> based on my years of Windows experience, I personally would find it
>>> very hard to contemplate having to turn back to that OS for any
>>> important uses. Do I still utilize it for specific tasks? Yes, I
>>> still do and have to keep my skills sharp for the business.
>>> Nevertheless, I honestly am at the point in which I can't stand
>>> Windows and its quirks any longer. Again, though, James, I am not
>>> sitting in your proverbial chair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John Panarese
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2007, at 5:47 PM, James Austin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> I completely take on board everything you are saying. I really do
>>>> like the Mac, and it has certainly ben a worth-while experience. I
>>>> will be keeping my Mac, and using it for personal use, which means
>>>> keeping it up-to-date with all the latest software updates.
>>>>
>>>> I fully endorse and appreciate Apple's hard work in providing a
>>>> Screen Reading solution for us, being that a commercial company,
>>>> and that they have no obligation to do so.
>>>>
>>>> I just find that for my needs at present, that Windows with its
>>>> greater access through Window Eyes/JFW better suits my needs in an
>>>> academic environment. As I said, I will be keeping my MacBook, I
>>>> am certainly not going to get rid of it, but I am getting more and
>>>> more frustrated.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is partly due to the fact that I knew the limitations
>>>> of Tiger, and i readily accept them. However, Leopard promised (or
>>>> at least implied) so much more, and I personally was disappointed.
>>>> maybe I am just being selfish or overly hard to please but right
>>>> now in my present situation Leopard does not deliver on what it
>>>> promises. I will of course stay on the list and continue to
>>>> promote the use of the Mac platform by blind individuals, and who
>>>> knows, in the future, I may very well come back to the Mac.
>>>>
>>>> It is my hope that when i get my own place, to have both mac and
>>>> Windows running in my home. I know the inherent problems of
>>>> running a Windows machine, having used Windows since 1995, but the
>>>> access level is better for my personal needs at this moment in
>>>> time. I will of course miss a number of Mac features, but this is
>>>> the price I will pay for a different form of accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> I will still be around on this list if i am permitted, and if
>>>> anyone would like to stay in touch, then they are more than
>>>> welcome to do so on the below contact details.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Nov 2007, at 18:27, John Panarese wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In no way am I criticizing the reasons or decisions one has to
>>>>> make to satisfy ones access needs. Obviously, the situation of
>>>>> Will or James or whomever is something they must address and in
>>>>> the best way they feel is necessary. I will say, however, that
>>>>> seeking answers in Windows or from Windows is not exactly going
>>>>> to provide those answers as well. The thing to consider is that,
>>>>> regardless of the Braille displays currently supported and the
>>>>> state of word processors, this is all not a static situation. In
>>>>> other words, it will change and access will continue to improve.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, in Windows, you still have several other
>>>>> factors that will not change. Vista is a horrible mess and in
>>>>> order to get it to even function with some bit of speed and
>>>>> tolerance is to turn off several features. Even so, it's still a
>>>>> resource hog and as slow as crap going uphill. On top of that,
>>>>> it is still Windows you will be dealing with, which means
>>>>> instability, viruses and all of the security issues Microsoft
>>>>> continues to have plaguing them. To me, my experiences moving to
>>>>> the Mac and not having to deal with that garbage has made my
>>>>> investments in either Mac I have owned worth the money in gold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, when the day is done, the individual has to decide for
>>>>> himself or herself, but such a decision should be made with all
>>>>> of the potential consequences in mind. Leopard, as with Tiger,
>>>>> will progress and I have no doubts that we will have several word
>>>>> processor options and spreadsheet choices fully accessible to us
>>>>> before long. Also, Braille display support will only diversify
>>>>> and expand as time goes on. Sometimes, patience is a virtue,
>>>>> folks. Throwing away the bath water can result in tossing the
>>>>> baby with it. If you go back to Windows, be prepared for a
>>>>> nightmare and the regrets that will undoubtedly occur when
>>>>> something Windows related nearly provokes you to light your
>>>>> system on fire as recently happened to me with my XP box a few
>>>>> days ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>
>>>>> John Panarese
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2007, at 12:13 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine the empower will be supported along with the rest of
>>>>>> the braille note family when apple can do it. The launguages
>>>>>> are not that hard to implement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:20 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> neither i need french and german braille and the m power to be
>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Nov 2007, at 13:51, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you need UK or UEBC braille rather than he U.S. version that
>>>>>>> is in Leopard? Do you need to produce embossed braille as
>>>>>>> opposed to display braille? If so contact me before you let
>>>>>>> your mac go I can help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>>>>> 535 S. Jackson St.
>>>>>>> Casper, Wyoming 82601
>>>>>>> 307-224-4022
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2007, at 11:49 PM, william lomas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as much as i love the mac i am still having to work in windows
>>>>>>>> every day for my work needs as i find microsoft word a more
>>>>>>>> powerful word processor and i need powerpoint etcetera
>>>>>>>> also i do need braille for my needs which is not provided in
>>>>>>>> leopard. so to any UK person i have
>>>>>>>> macbook core 2 duo intel
>>>>>>>> 1.83 ghz
>>>>>>>> 2 gigs ram
>>>>>>>> the 13.3 inch model with cd rw dvd reader
>>>>>>>> and the infovox british english and french voices installed
>>>>>>>> asking between 400 and 500 pounds
>>>>>>>> i do love the mac but leopard, as good as it is in my view,
>>>>>>>> hasn't really come that far with voice over in the last 2
>>>>>>>> years, criticize me all youw ant but there you ahve it, smile
>>>>>>>> so anyone interested please get back to me. i prefer to run a
>>>>>>>> full blown windos environment on my windows laptop i have at
>>>>>>>> home and then i ahve full braille support for the applications
>>>>>>>> i need it in like foreign languages
>>>>>>>>
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