"Where the two do intersect though is in the ability to use
the numpad commander to do really cool things that are hard to do
otherwise."
My point exactly... i find it troubling that some coder spent time making
numpad commander, and now if you buy a macbook macbook pro or a recent
wireless keyboard you can't use it at all without purchasing a separate
numpad. I'm hoping Apple were thinking of a bigger/better idea than just
scrap numpads. Surely if there's not a good reason for it when the idea of
dropping them was circulated some folks from team Voiceover stood up and
hollored about it a bit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards:
the two are not related. one is software meant for full keyboards with
numpads or perhaps external numpads. the other is a notebook keyboard
hardware design. Where the two do intersect though is in the ability to
use
the numpad commander to do really cool things that are hard to do
otherwise.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Chesworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards:
One thing that just occurred here is why would Apple release numpad
commander and then drop the idea of a numpad in the wireless keyboards and
laptops a few months later? That troubles me. no doubt it'll become
clear
at some point, but it's a puzzler. Also i realise this isn't Apple's
problem, but surely that's gonna screw with most of the windows screen
readers on some small level even with the laptop layouts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lewis Brock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards:
why is it not sufficient? I have used it effectively through the years
as
a laptop user on macs and windows laptops. I fail to understand what
your
gripe is with this issue. if all the main functions are on the keyboard
including commands as example multiply and more then ok just use shift
keys with certain number keys etc.
as I say as a touch typist and with experience with laptops with inbuilt
and seperated keypads I really only use the standard row above the
main
typing section. that does the work for me from entering phone numbers,
mathematical equations and more.
lew
On 27 Feb 2008, at 17:35, David Poehlman wrote:
the top row is not sufficient.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lewis Brock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X
by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards:
well guys. ok having a numeric keyboard overlay can be at times
useful. to me though it has always been a pain. I've never liked it at
all. even on my old powerbooks from years ago I never used it and just
used the top row configuration all the time.
ok if apple were to bring out another macbook pro then why not have a
num pad on the right hand side and yes it would fit on a 17 inch
notebook. prime examples are show by toshiba and dell. hang on sorry I
shouldnt mention those discusting names on here.
as you can tell I am totally pro apple. I love the hardware and it has
made a dramatic difference to my life and work. lets make sure apple
continues to keep up the standard with updates for OS X and iWork etc
as well as getting microsoft for mac aware that yes we DEMAND access
to office 2008.
lewy
anyhow. just kicked myself. bought my macbook last week and found out
yesterday they just launched the brand new macbook 2.4ghz with 2gb ram
for less than my 2.2 with 2gb ram. oh bugger. might speak to the
company and arrange an upgrade if at all possible.
On 27 Feb 2008, at 16:42, David Poehlman wrote:
around the world, it's hard to tell, but I would imagine there's a
lot of
data entry that goes on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh de Lioncourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards:
j
I'm slightly disappointed about this, but speaking realistic, how many
people actually use the numeric overlay? Even among the VI users?
Probably a very small percentage. Still, it's puzzling why they'd
remove it at all. I do have a wireless numeric keypad I picked up for
$5, so I'm covered, and think that that is pretty viable for the very
few who use it.
Josh de Lioncourt
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...my other mail provider is an owl...
On 27 Feb, 2008, at 7:26 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
We saw the disintroduction of the vnumpad with a recent edition of
macbook
and now we are seeing it across the line as expected. This is
dismaying for
accessibility reasons. I bought one of the new wireless keyboards
for My
pros to help alleviate this but it's sad that we have to sacrifice
portability in order to gain functionality which should be universal.
--
Jonnie Appleseed
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one byte at a time
Lewis Brock
Blind Musician and Composer of 21st century synth music
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Lewis Brock
Blind Musician and Composer of 21st century synth music
Phone: +44 07857 352828
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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SKYPE: lewisjbrock
