This, as much as I've been able to hear, is interesting. But I have a
question. Maybe I missed it or misunderstood, but it seemed like the two
non-apple presenters were using Firefox. Why didn't the Mac presenter have
the option of using Firefox as well? From what I understand there is a
version of Firefox for Mac. Isn't it accessable?
Also, I'm not sure it was quite fare that the linux presenter was also a
developer for the screen reader he was using, seems like he'd have an
advantage, and come to think of it wasn't the other guy a beta tester for
JAWS? It didn't seem like the Mac presenter really had any sort of tie to
Mac or VoiceOver development.
I wonder how this would of played out if they had just picked three random
people, like a Windows/JAWS or Windoweyes user, a VoiceOver user and a...
Forgive me I forget what the other screen access linux thing was, user off
the street as it were and had them do these tasks? I think it would of been
more "real world" if they just picked avrage every day run of the mill
computer users. But this is just my thoughts...
What do you all think?
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This one had nothing to do with apple and should have been at least scoped
out before hand.
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:47 AM
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Some of you should see if you can gain Apple's interest in presenting at
these types of specialized conferences. Nothing builds interest like a
smooth presentation of a new system, and few things can kill it as quickly
as a rough one.
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:28 AM
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I actually attended this session and bailed out part way through. It was
just too painful to hear the Mac guy struggle along. The assumption was
that each platform operator was very familiar with their technology and
the Apple guy obviously was not. I know the Jaws guy is an expert and
the Orca guy was one of the developers of that screen reader. When I
left the Apple guy was still trying to figure out how to launch Safari.
He was trying to do it by searching his hard drive with Spotlight. I
guess that would work but I think it's far easier to pull up the
application list with Apple-shift-A, type S A to get to Safari and then
Apple-O to open it. These aren't even Voiceover related commands. I did
ping the Apple guy who was outside the room as I left about how sad the
VO showing was in there. He said he had talked to the presenter (who
claimed to know several platforms) and the presenter assured him he was
pretty familiar. He also thought that VO and the Mac was a strong enough
product that it would still succeed.
A nice positive viewpoint, but for anyone listening to the presenter
struggle to do the most basic things it really sounded bad. On a
positive note I also went to the Apple VoiceOver intro and heard a lot
of positive feedback from folks. It was a bit errie to hear 50 voiceover
sessions in a room all reading stuff at the same time since the
headphones had not arrived yet.
I also got to meet Josh De Lioncourt in person, who was there as an
invited expert to help answer questions. That would make anybody's day :)
CB
Justin Harford wrote:
Hello
I have listened to the discussion. It was sort of painful to listen
to on the mac side of things. In the past I have been critical of the
apple OS mainly when leopard came out, but mistakes made here could
easily have been fixed more effectively than they were. I guess all I
can say here is that it hurts to think that other blind users struggle
this much with their computers.
Please tell me it's not like this with everyone here.
Regards
Justin Harford
Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell and
looked awhile, pondering his voyage
John Milton
Paradise Lost
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:39 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:17 PM
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-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Mika Pyyhkala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:02 PM
To: Jamal Mazrui
Subject: CSUN 2008 Conference MP3 Presentation, Dueling Operating
Systems,
BLV-1002
Please find a link below to the blog text and audio for this
presentation.
The file is 1 hour and 52 minutes long, and about 52MB in size:
http://dcnightout.com/?p=137
I can add additional text or links to the blog entry if you like, e.g.
to the products used, to the presenters, other related entities, or
related resources.
The recording was made using an Olympus DS50 recorder, and has been
saved
as a mono MP3 file. I have reviewed the beginning and select parts
of the
recording but have not reviewed the entire contents.
In the presentation, an Apple Macintosh Voiceover, Orca Linux, and Jaws
For Windows user complete identical tasks using their assistive and
mainstream technologies. The presentation highlights the strengths and
weaknesses of each operating system, related assistive technologies, and
individual user experiences.
Enjoy,
Mika
Direct Link To MP3:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/dcnightout/DCNO_14MAR2008.mp3
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