I need to learn how to create a macros. Once I do that, then I can and will create this one and share it with all of you. I've been using the ctrl-f8 method for now and it works, but for on-the-fly changing, a quicker sollution would probably be better. I love the ESpeak GUI too and am also interested in learning how to do those things and go letter by letter. But I guess we'll have to wait for the full integration with VoiceOver to do that. One thing at a time. *smile* These guys are truly wonderful.
On 4/1/08, Simon Cavendish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can I add my name to it too, please, Tifanitsa? If you get to > construct the macro to change keyboard layouts, please let me know. > > Simon Cavendish > On 1 Apr 2008, at 01:56, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote: > > > If you manage that trick--making macros to switch betweenkeyboards-- > > let me know, please, with detailed instructions. :) > > > > I am sooooo happy now with this ESpeak GUI thing, even if I haven't > > figured out how to use it to its full potential yet. Eventually I > > wanna figure out how to change the pitch of voices and so on. Ah, wel. > > > > Jane > > > > :) > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Tiffany D wrote: > > > >> Thanks, but I'm really not into external keyboards. That's why I > >> wanted an ultraportable, until I found the Macbook. *smile* I've > >> actually never used the numpad on any computer, even my desktops. I > >> don't know why. lol In any case, I could probably find a way to > >> create a macros for switching between keyboards that doesn't involve > >> the vo keys. I'll just have to make sure it doesn't conflict with > >> other hotkeys. Oh yeah, and actually learn how to make one! > >> > >> On 3/31/08, Jane Jordan (Gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> You may need to use a USB-keyboard;I use that sometimes. Got it as a > >>> present--some of you may remember me gloating or babbling about it. > >>> Yet I still have not managed to figure out the num-pad commander. > >>> I've been seriously stressed with work and life. I plan to just sit > >>> down Saturday and play with it and set it up to my liking. > >>> > >>> Anything to save wear and tear on this built-in keyboard. > >>> > >>> Jane > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Esther wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Jacob and Tiffanitsa, > >>>> > >>>> I'm not sure that the numpad is available on new MacBooks with the > >>>> fn key combination, so this option depends on the age of the > >>>> MacBook. > >>>> The newer MacBooks -- from December and January onwards -- > >>>> don't have the ability to turn on the num lock key with F6 nor do > >>>> they > >>>> have the ability to get to numpad with the fn keys. > >>>> > >>>> Jacob wrote: > >>>>> Hi > >>>>> The numpad is available by using the fn key in combination with > >>>>> the > >>>>> right half of the keyboard, the layout is similar to what you'd > >>>>> find > >>>>> on most PC laptops. I don't know if the greek keyboard has a latin > >>>>> modifier, it probably doesn't but it was just an idea. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Here's a quote from the thread on numpad commander on a notebook: > >>>> > >>>> On 24-Feb-08, at 4:10 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> what if yo press fn with one of the keys? > >>>> > >>>> Hi David, > >>>> > >>>> Here goes: > >>>> > >>>> jkluio789 > >>>> > >>>> It's just not there anymore. > >>>> > >>>> Later... > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac > >>>> OS > >>>> X by > >>>> theblind" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:55 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: numpad commander on a notebook: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi David, > >>>> > >>>> You said: if you don't have a full keyboard for your laptop, you > >>>> can > >>>> still experience > >>>> numpad commander with I believe the fn key. Interestingly, it might > >>>> evenoffer some uses for notebook users that provide creative ways > >>>> to > >>>> work. > >>>> > >>>> TK: The NumPad functionality appears to have been eliminated from > >>>> the > >>>> latest MacBook line. I purchased this one in December and there > >>>> is no > >>>> "Num-Lock" at the F6 key and if I press fn-jkl or fn-uio and > >>>> such, I > >>>> simply get the letters. > >>>> > >>>> Later... > >>>> <snip> > >>>> > >>>> There was an article in the January Ars Technica titled: > >>>> "MacBook numeric keypad, Num Lock going the way of the dodo" > >>>> January 09, 2008 > >>>> > >>>> they state: > >>>> > >>>> <begin selected quote> > >>>> One "feature" of the new Apple Wireless Keyboard that people > >>>> noticed > >>>> quickly is the lack of the familiar numeric keypad and associated > >>>> Num > >>>> Lock key. A lot of users liked the change, but of course some > >>>> weren't so > >>>> happy, mourning the loss of the spare set of numbers. But like it > >>>> or > >>>> not, > >>>> the numeric keypad isn't coming back. In fact, the Num Lock key and > >>>> its > >>>> ilk may be disappearing from even more Apple products, according > >>>> to a > >>>> recent piece by the New York Times' David Pogue. > >>>> > >>>> One of Pogue's readers e-mailed him to say that their recently- > >>>> ordered MacBook > >>>> had arrived sans Num Lock-enabled > >>>> numeric keypad. After checking with Apple's PR department, Pogue > >>>> confirmed that > >>>> the MacBook has indeed lost its > >>>> numeric keypad and Num Lock key for good. The reason? Those shiny > >>>> new Apple > >>>> Wireless Keyboards, of course. More > >>>> specifically, Apple apparently wanted to standardize the appearance > >>>> of the two > >>>> products, necessitating the keypad's > >>>> removal. > >>>> <end selected quote> > >>>> > >>>> Sorry about this, > >>>> > >>>> Esther > >>>> > >>>>> On Mar 31, 2008, at 3:58 AM, Tiffany D wrote: > >>>>>> Aa, thank Hermes, that worked. You're a genius! I wish I could > >>>>>> learn > >>>>>> all these quick shortcuts. it would save me a lot of headaches. > >>>>>> As > >>>>>> for the numpad commander, I'm using a Macbook. So would that even > >>>>>> be > >>>>>> available? As for a Latin modifier, I've never heard of one. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 3/30/08, Jacob Schmude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>> Well, we just can't win. The reason VO commands won't work is > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> they adapt themselves to the keyboard layout. However, if I > >>>>>>> understand > >>>>>>> things correctly, the greek keyboard layout doesn't have any > >>>>>>> latin > >>>>>>> letters on it. Is there a modifier or something that will > >>>>>>> temporarily > >>>>>>> revert to the Latin alphabet, as that's what voiceover is > >>>>>>> expecting? > >>>>>>> To switch back, go to the status menu with ctrl+f8 (built-in > >>>>>>> os x > >>>>>>> shortcut) and use the same text input menu again. > >>>>>>> Back on 10.4 a lot of users complained that VO did not map > >>>>>>> itself > >>>>>>> onto > >>>>>>> new keyboard layouts. Now that it does, we're seeing the other > >>>>>>> side > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> the coin, I guess. > >>>>>>> My suggestion would be to map the keys you need to the numpad > >>>>>>> commander, as I don't believe that is affected by the keyboard > >>>>>>> change. > >>>>>>> Pretty much all the VO commands can be mapped this way, and > >>>>>>> you'd > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>> able to use them then. Not the ideal solution, but as Apple > >>>>>>> has not > >>>>>>> internationalized Voiceover at this point I'm not sure what > >>>>>>> else to > >>>>>>> suggest. The only non-latin keyboard layouts I've ever worked > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> were Japanese, and they have a very quick way to switch back > >>>>>>> to the > >>>>>>> Latin alphabet when needed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Tiffany D wrote: > >>>>>>>> It definitely helped, but now, I can't get it back to > >>>>>>>> english! I'm > >>>>>>>> using a windows machine and am seriously considering switching > >>>>>>>> back to > >>>>>>>> windows if I can't solve this problem by creating a macros or > >>>>>>>> something. I need a multilingual machine and this isn't cutting > >>>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>> I can't use any of the VO commands because they won't work with > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Greek keyboard layout. I tried hitting the off button and then > >>>>>>>> turning it on again, hoping that it wouldn't save my > >>>>>>>> settings, but > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> did. So how do I fix this? Microsoft got this one right with > >>>>>>>> alt > >>>>>>>> shift as a default to change this, no matter where you are. > >>>>>>>> Btw, I > >>>>>>>> actually can use command w and command q, jut not anything > >>>>>>>> else. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 3/30/08, Jacob Schmude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>>> The status menu is vo+m twice, it's where your battery, clock, > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> other things show up. Pressing vo+space on the checkbox for me > >>>>>>>>> says > >>>>>>>>> checked, but doesn't actually check the box. You need to use > >>>>>>>>> vo > >>>>>>>>> +cmd > >>>>>>>>> +f5, then vo+shift+space to click the box. > >>>>>>>>> hth > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Tiffany D wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Ok, I'm not sure what you meant about the mouse and when I > >>>>>>>>>> tried > >>>>>>>>>> vo > >>>>>>>>>> shift space, it didn't work. I just looked at the options and > >>>>>>>>>> hit vo > >>>>>>>>>> space and it said the box was checked. But where do I find > >>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>> status menu? Also, is there a quick hotkey to do this? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Tiffanitsa > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 3/30/08, Jacob Schmude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>>>>> To add any keyboard, go to system preferences, then > >>>>>>>>>>> international. > >>>>>>>>>>> Select the input menu tab, and check the keyboards you want > >>>>>>>>>>> (there's a > >>>>>>>>>>> lot of them). Note that I had to route the mouse to the "on" > >>>>>>>>>>> checkbox > >>>>>>>>>>> immediately to the left of each keyboard name and do vo > >>>>>>>>>>> +shift > >>>>>>>>>>> +space > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> actually click on the checkbox. > >>>>>>>>>>> Once you've got more than one keyboard enabled, an icon will > >>>>>>>>>>> appear > >>>>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>> your status menu called "text input." This is a pulldown > >>>>>>>>>>> menu > >>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>> which you can select any of the keyboards you have enabled. > >>>>>>>>>>> hth > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Tiffany D wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Geia sas, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone please tell me how to add the Greek keyboard > >>>>>>>>>>>> to the > >>>>>>>>>>>> Macbook? I know how to do this in Windows, but have never > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempted > >>>>>>>>>>>> it in Leopard and don't want to wind up changing the whole > >>>>>>>>>>>> system to > >>>>>>>>>>>> Greek. *smile* Also, how to I switch between keyboard > >>>>>>>>>>>> languages? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tiffanitsa > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >
