Couple items here:

1. I also haven't seen a Mac virus since the bad old days of System 7. Even then it was a rare event. I haven't had or read about any actual Mac OSX viruses living the wild for years. Maybe I just do run in the right circle of web sites.

2. There are lies and then there are statistics. Separating the two is sometimes difficult. If the Mac had one known virus last year and there were three this year that would be a 300% increase in the number of Mac viruses. Astounding! The press would deem that the platform must be plagued to near unusability. Meanwhile in the windows camp with the 114,000 known viruses, an increase of 1% is only another 1140 new viruses. Have to be careful about the base from which the increases are measured.

3. Viruses run on OSes and OSes run on hardware. So whether the Mac OS runs on Intel, PowerPC or Motorola 68000 has no impact on the number of viruses present or cross-platform transferability. The only exceptions I know of are things like Word Macro viruses since Word runs on both platforms and the usual web browser cross-site scripting hacks, generally implemented in JavaScript.

4. Most of the drive pushing the creation of viruses these days are to enslave people's machines to be part of a "botnet". The botnet master can then deploy it to do various bad things, like hack captchas to get free emails for spamming or swarm a site so its servers melt under the load and deny service to legit users. To that end, if they are working to write these viruses for financial or political gain they will be going after the lowest hanging fruit to infect, that is, Windows PCs.

CB

Matt Emson wrote:
Lewis Brock wrote:
any system at all is vulnerable to attack. whether its direct port hacking, viruses designed for specific functions or other methods of destruction. no machine is safe at all. but the likelyhood of a virus hitting a macintosh is incredibly incredibly slim. viruses are designed by hackers who either just want to inflict pain on personal users, bring down companies in one fowl swoop or whatever.

Actually, more commonly these days, the Virus writer (be it a worm, trojan, or other malicious piece of code) intends to gather information. This would be personal banking information or data to be used to gain entry in to restricted sites (eBay, PayPal etc.) The intention is to then sell this data on to someone who will use it to gain funds or rip you off.

Another approach is to install a piece of code that will sit on your computer and enable illegal activities to be routed through your machine. This therefore covers the deviants tracks, and makes it look like you did whatever the wrong doing was.

if an idiot writes a virus for a mac you get the impression straight away that the idiot writing it has a vendetta against apple hardware. maybe jealousy or something like that. or just malicious intent.

This is not the way virus work these days. Long gone are the kids in bedrooms writing bad code to annoy innocent people. Today, the virus writers want to gain revenue or illegal access.

antivirus packages have been out for the macintosh for many years now and to be honest through my time I've never found the need for an antivirus.

I have had at least 3 virus on my pre Mac OS X systems. Most were under system 7 though. It can happen, it did happen and they do exist. Mac OS X is based on Openstep, which was a UNIX variant created by Next Computer. Being UNIX based (well, BSD), it is far less likely that the average Virus writer can gain access. It's also hard to install anything on a Mac OS X computer without being asked if you want to, so that means it's also harder for a Mac Virus writer to install software secretly.

the other probable reason for virus attacks on the mac could be this and its only a supposable theory. Intel Architecture and the connection with windows etc. as the PPC chips upto the G5 series were never harmed by virus code. maybe apple should have thought about it a bit more.
This is rubbish. Mac's with PowerPC processors had virus in the System 7.1 - 9.22 days. To say they didn't is just not correct. There weren't many, but they did exist.

For the Intel platform, there has yet to be a mainstream Mac OS X virus, just as for the PowerPC platform.

What you have to remember is, well, the difference between a PowerPC application and an Intel application is minimal in functionality and source code. To compile a PowerPC application for Intel using XCode is trivial. The tools are free, and cross compilation from Intel to PowerPC is possible. So any virus write targetting Intel could feasably re-compile a virus to target PowerPC with little or no effort.

M


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