hey Scott, thanks for your note. I actually was just meaning to
comment in this thread rather than asking for help / guidance, but
hey, I certainly wouldn't turn it away! <smile>
I think the Java bit is slightly OT, but I suppose since it does
have to do with VO, then so be it.
what I am wondering currently, is how simply to direct VO or the
system as a whole, to speak either changed text in a window or as text
is printed to a window. I don't have a particular app in mind here
yet, but am potentially wanting to do this sort of thing in future.
I'm still working out some bugs in a particularly temperamental java
3d api, so that is really taking quite a bit of time / frustration and
so on…
anyway, when I do perfect what I'm after, if that's actually
possible, I'll simply be wanting to issue the user text messages in a
window as well as updating preexisting ones without the need for the
user to interact or view any particular control in said window. So I
would like to know ways this can be done. I.E. using the system
voice? using VO? -both?…
As I said, it's not an urgent need, but providing I figure out my
current dilemma; it's something I'll be thinking about.
Thanks so much for your offer of assistance and have a terrific
evening!…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 12, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
Hi, Cara,
I'm not sure I understand exactly. Are you interested in directly
accessing text-to-speech features from within java, maybe say, speak
a message you get from some socket connection, like telnet or the
like. Or, are you interested in updating the values of the
AccessibleContext object so that if you interact with it, it
reflects the current state. For example, interacting with some
custom JComponent so that user keys interactions will be reflected
from VO?
I think in any case, you'll want the second, so that you can
interact with the object to get additional or repeated information.
Give me a little more to go on, and I'll try to steer you in the
right direction.
Things are very busy for me right now, but that's the nature of the
academic calendar.
Take care,
Scott
Hey Scott, yes you're right, but what I was meaning was how one
would direct VoiceOver or the system to speak specific phrases in
an app.
For example, if you're coding using Swing, then a Java app is
pretty much accessible out of the box so to speak, but this doesn't
tell me how to tell VoiceOver to say a specific line of text just
as it gets printed to a window per se.
Does that make sense?Š
Anyway, -hope all is well witcha <smile> and have a nice night, K?Š
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
Hi,
Java deals with accessibility in its framework from the start.
Objects support the accessible interface which defines how a UI or
any java object can respond to adaptive technology. So, the APIs
of Apple or any other vendor, are hidden. It's up the JVM to
implement the java framework on the native platform.
If you're interested in this, I suggest you look at the
java.accessibilty package and the accessible interfaces in the
java framework docs.
I have not seen an accessible java application on any platform, so
I cannot comment on what a Mac would do to a properly coded java
application.
You've made me curious though....
--Scott
AGreed as well, and very good post! I'm actually wondering the
same thing myself, but for differing reasons. I'm wanting to do
a bit more work with Java apps on the Mac and need to know more
about this very issue.
VO may be a moving target behind the scenes, and that sure would
be an issue for the moment, but as it seems that Apple has taken
quite a bit of care to create / maintain / make public, their
framework for accessible apps, I'd doubt it. However, as
improvements are always being made, it is certainly possible to
some degree?S
Thanks for your note and have a wonderful day!S
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
I wonder if he is referring to things under the hood like the
Apple Accessibility API and such. While VO generally provides
full access to everything on the Mac, if you're wanting to plug
stuff into VO underneath (like Flash accessibility) are the APIs
consistent? Have they been shifting and changing with each
release? I don't actually know but the developer might see VO as
shifting sand while the user is productive and happy. It could
be that I'm in the lobby with the comfy chairs and tinkling
fountain but down in the basement the plumbing is full of leaks
and things to knock your head on.
CB
Cara Quinn wrote:
darcy, I absolutely agree 100 percent! I'm using Mac
exclusively right now, and as I've mentioned here before, I
work to a huge degree on the web all the time for castings, and
dealing with agents and such. So for someone to arbitrarily
say that VO, (my current exclusive means of speech output) is
less than 'mature' is a bit uninformed at the very least.
On top of that, it's also a bit of a catch 22, as VO will
never be seen as mature without at least some degree of flash
access, which to some degree mirrors that of JFW / WE on the
Windows side. So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, yes?S
Anyway, I personally am in tremendous need of flash access
which I know I can get with JFW, and would be forced down that
road if it weren't for extremely irritating work-arounds or
conventional site links which could vanish at any moment as
some of the sites I work with regularly are updated. So I'm on
a bit of a tenuous thread here so to speak. I love the Mac
side though, and as it's a joy to work with in large part, I'll
stay with it here as access improves or I'm forced in another
direction for certain tasks.
I'd hate to see that happen, but if people keep making
arbitrary uninformed claims or decisions about VO and it's user
base / perceived lack thereof, that may happen.
here's hoping it doesn't though!
Thanks for your note and keep up the wonderful work! You guys
rock!S
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:
Hmmm, wonder if Mr. Kirkpatrick has been reading a little too
much access world.
Seriously though, who gets to decide if a product is mature or
not? I've been a Mac user for two years now, in in the last
year, I bet I could count on my fingers the number of times
I've turned on my windows machine.
This is a cop out in my opinion. They can keep saying this
indefinitely.
Darcy, who now has something more to talk about on Screenless
Switchers tomorrow.
On 9-Jun-08, at 11:12 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
Got this back from Adobe. Not sure how to reply perhaps the
user community could give Mr. Kirkpatrick an education.
Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
Casper, Wyoming 82601
307-224-4022
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Begin forwarded message:
From: "Andrew Kirkpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: June 9, 2008 8:09:29 PM MDT
To: "Greg Kearney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Adobe accessibility
Greg,
Tried to chat with you from your site. Unfortunately,
VoiceOver is not
ready for real use as a tool for blind users to gain access
to many
applications and access to HTML content with VO is hardly
mature. As a
result, we have not focused on supporting the Mac
accessibility API in
the Flash player yet.
The Australian law doesn't require cross-platform
accessibility,
particularly when there is no mature tool on one of the
platforms in
question, resulting in no users requiring screen reader
access in that
environment.
AWK
Lloyd Rasmussen at the Library of Congress suggested I
communicate
with you concerning accessbility of Flash content with in the
Macintosh environment with VoiceOver.
Later this month I will be traveling to Australia where I
will be
working on accessible websites. Australian law requires that
web sites
be accessible. I have been unable to interact with any Flash
based
content with VoiceOver on a Mac.
I am wondering if this is an issue that is being addressed
or not as I
will need to advise my clients as to the legal use of Flash
content.
Thank you for your time.
Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
Casper, Wyoming 82601
307-224-4022
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