Andrew, As long as you are on a roll, please "clarify" the following for me =
"jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? "Kobol" - variation of Cobol? "wild rover" - a computer game? Did I miss out on some free burritos or did Torrie just allude to their existence in a faraway kitchen? Thanks! Philip On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, a l <leit...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > It's been brought to my attention that what was intended as a lighthearted > expression of jealousy for a cool toy didn't get recorded that way in the > minutes. > > >* Alex - It's, he does it > * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row > * Andy - builds pinball machines > * Justin - Brings cookies > * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator > * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks > * Philip - heard about cookies > * Tim - Enjoys robotics > * Becca - writes jeb sheets > * Dave - Helps to repair the canal > * Steve - Shows up late, but on time > * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all > * Mila - Also a second meeting attender > * Craig - is fine > * Torrie - makes burritos > * Andrew - attends entire meetings today > * Devin - moderates today > * Anthony - Developes software > * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value > * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover > * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library > ** Found out about us through our website > > To clarify, neither Mike nor his laser keyboard suck. The comment has been > removed from the archived version of the minutes but without complicated > techromancy it is not possible to change the minutes as displayed in this > thread. > Apologies for the poor recording and confusion it caused. > > regards, > Andrew L > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Phong <ph...@synhak.org> wrote: > >> Bonjour, hakkers! >> >> I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2014-03-18 and that the minutes >> are posted. They are visible on the web at >> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-18. I've also included them in >> this mail for reading at your leisure: >> >> {{Infobox_meeting >> |time=7PM >> |date=2014-03-18 >> |venue=48 South Summit >> |next=Meetings/2014-3-25 >> |previous=Meetings/2014-3-11 >> }} >> >> >> == Note-taker == >> * Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes. >> ** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened. >> * Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting >> * Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the >> appropriate time. >> * Tell treasu...@synhak.org and secret...@synhak.org if there are new >> members. If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to email >> them. >> >> == Moderator == >> * Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak >> * Speak minimally yourself >> * Keep the meeting moving >> * Handle the membership voting process >> * Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, >> as the template may occasionally change without warning. >> ** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to >> proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. >> >> == Participants == >> * Say your name the first time you speak >> * Remain on-topic >> * Remain respectful of other participants >> >> = Agenda = >> >> * '''Note Taker:''' Andrew L >> * '''Moderator:''' Devin >> >> == Introduction and Names == >> >> * Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if >> anyone new is present: >> <blockquote>SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to >> make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help >> others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through and >> depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals >> such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each >> other."</blockquote> >> * Round of introductions >> ** What is your name? >> ** What do you do? >> ** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK? >> >> * Alex - It's, he does it >> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row >> * Andy - builds pinball machines >> * Justin - Brings cookies >> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator >> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks >> * Philip - heard about cookies >> * Tim - Enjoys robotics >> * Becca - writes jeb sheets >> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal >> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time >> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all >> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender >> * Craig - is fine >> * Torrie - makes burritos >> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today >> * Devin - moderates today >> * Anthony - Developes software >> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value >> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover >> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library >> ** Found out about us through our website >> >> == Announcements == >> >> * Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know? >> * Any happenings that people should be aware of? >> * Computers have multiplied >> ** 4 laptops for use >> *** There's one on the desk in the back labeled -Do Not Hack- >> **** ....Don't hack it. >> *** if you have OS preferences let omar know, or install yourself >> **** Don't ruin the windows partition >> *** 3 in Palm room, >> ** Lenovo for all sorts of hacking, no holds barred >> *** Located in the Palm room >> ** Keep an eye on Announce@ for laptop sales and pricing >> * Martin brought his rover >> ** build in progress, working boom and camera platform >> *** demo after meeting >> * G brought in paint >> ** all manner of paint >> ** painting materials included >> * Andy found the LCD for the jukebox >> ** Tom was doing things and stuff with it, detailed on NOC@ >> * Switches stopped switching on the network >> ** Craig to build things in the basement to keep things dry and safe >> ** If you know of a source of cheap(free?) pallets(12-15) so we can rig >> up a raised floor >> * All machines using SDRAM or older to be in the mainspace >> ** likely to be placed in the hack pile so they get used or otherwise >> disappear >> ** give them a purpose >> * This Saturday at 12pm The Greater Akron Robotics Club(GARC) at SynHak >> ** First meeting :) >> ** Highschool and Junior high students >> ** Willing Chaperones and knowledgeable folk encouraged to attend >> * Notacon 4/10-15/14 >> * Akron Mini-Makerfaire 10/18 >> ** get ideas together >> * Akron Public library wants help to get a learn-to-solder class up and >> running >> ** Learn basic electronics too >> * Cleveland Makerfaire 3/29 12-6pm >> ** Cleveland public Library >> * Bay area makerfaire 5/17-18 >> ** Tiny circuits attending >> * 3/26 Torrie talks about SynHak infrastructure >> ** 8pm >> ** AWS, Synhak.org >> * 4/09 Alex talks about Mesh networking >> * 4/23 Shop Safety >> ** another welding class being scheduled, time TBA >> * Dave wants to do some local history >> >> == Membership == >> * Read off any names open for application >> * Philip >> ** Been visiting us since the old space, sponsored by Devin, Justin >> ** Wants to join to: meet people, learn things, make things to sell on >> etsy, fix things to sell on ebay >> *** Lists a whole host of cool projects >> ** Also wants to use our cofee pot and restrooms >> * Timothy >> ** Nickname: Orvel >> ** Wants to get the Greater Akron Robotics Club running at SynHak and >> ** Sponsored by Torrie, Devin >> * Whats Hacking mean to you? >> ** Philip: reminds him of nefarious activities, learned it means 'doing >> something different to things' it really depends on who you ask and what >> they're doing at the time. Hacking and Making at SynHak are a good >> combination . Approaching problems and finding a working solution >> ** Tim: starting with raw materials and findig a new or use for them >> * What makes you happy >> ** Philip: Chocolate, Sunshine, waking up on the right side of the ground. >> ** Tim: Enjoys the question, Seeing things made better, fighting entropy, >> Robotics, meeting a challenge and purpose. >> * Directed to Tim; Do you have intentions in founding and an underground >> robotics fight club >> ** ---things and stuff---- >> * Who's your favorite pioneer and why >> ** Tim: Benjamin Franklin, he did -everything- >> ** Philip: Da Vinci, introduced me to science when I was young. >> Encouraged by his parents to pursue science and engineering. >> * Dog or cat? >> ** Philip: Racoons >> ** Tim: Dogs, despite owning cats >> * How do you want to improve SynHak? >> ** Tim: Help utilize the infrastructure to improve the community, in part >> through the robotics club >> *** Excellent dumpsterdiving skills/luck >> ** Philip: Contributing skills and interests, perhaps teaching >> (photography?), wants to take responsibility and do-ocracy things. >> Recycling to help burn victims. Encourage people to bring in science and >> technology photos to contribute to the display wall. I want to keep >> learning, do something, I want to build a drone with a camera, and flames. >> Install CHDK on my little point and shoot. Always willing to help, even if >> it's just gophering. >> * Directed at Tim:What do you expect to learn or be changed by SynHak >> ** SynHak will help keep me young, continue learning new skills, This is >> the garage I don't have space/money for. >> * What to consensus, do-ocracy mean to you? >> ** Tim: Do-ocracy lines up closer with how people actually function. >> Lower stress often times.Servent leadership, it's better to light a candle >> than complain about the darkness. Skills and authority don't always align >> and Do-ocracy alleviates this. Consensus is harder to define. There's so >> many ways to communicate which can make it hard to pin down. Excellence >> boils down to the golden rule. >> ** Philip: Who came up with be excellent? (Bill & Ted). Do-ocracy is a >> bit foreign at first glance. It's about being a member of a group that >> satisfies you and benefits the group. A way to be a member, acting >> responsibly, individually, and with a purpose. It takes a willingness in >> the community to suceed. Being excellent is a character trait. It's more >> than good manners. It takes constant work and aspiration. You know it when >> you see it. Consensus: Majority rules, to an extent. It requires a >> knowledgeable group as well as individual. >> * Who's your favorite robotics team(battlebots, Curiosity)? >> ** Tim: FIRST robotics got me started but I'm currently active in BEST >> robotics. Your biggest expense with them is traveling to events. >> >> Both approved, hooray >> >> == Financial Report == >> >> * Funds in bank: 20,417.22 >> * Liabilities: 2,956.50 >> * Liabilities & Equity: 20,417.22 >> * >> * Spiff is updated with dues and membership credits >> ** You can view these things >> *** SynHak.org > sidebar > Spiff > Login/Register >> **** Buttons setup if you forgot your credentials >> **** Use password reset if this is your first login, The email you have >> on your application is where the password gets sent. >> ** You can also ask Torrie >> * $2000 in unpaid dues, get that to her >> >> == Proposals == >> >> * Becca wants a key >> ** To help with open hours >> *** attempts to extort a key based on cupcakes >> ** Vote - Approved >> >> * Tim wants to apply for a key >> ** Just needs to fill the application, to be voted on next week >> >> * Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14 day notice to vacate the >> premises. >> The racks shall be dismantled and removed after the 14 day notice. >> If there is opposition from Something New Entertainment, LLC, eviction >> procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio will be enacted by the >> Champions. >> ** Justin: 5.2.1 in the bylaws says voting clearly, not consensus. >> ** Torrie: There is no legal contract/lease. >> *** Some of this action was unilateral. >> *** We need a copy of the lease, there wasn't any revision by anyone but >> the signitories prior to it's signing. Significant disagreement with the >> wording and the Synhak community. >> *** Legal counsel as informed by Torrie says that the board member who >> signed the lease had no legal right to do so. >> *** 5.2.1 does not give the right to vote on everything. This is a >> slippery slope. Storage racks take up 10% of the space. The discussion of >> this what severely lacking. >> *** There's a page on the wiki that describes consensus. >> **** We follow the dictionary definition largely but the main point is >> talk things out. >> *** No checks have been cashed, this is taxable income and will make >> things difficult come tax time. >> ** Devin: the racks take up small amounts of space 150 sq feet of 4000. >> *** One person said 'I don't like this', but nothing constructive. >> ** Devin: To clarify: if one person is against an idea we cannot proceed? >> *** Torrie: Yes, I've been talking with other hackerspaces and I have a >> proposal in the works to solidify this. >> ** There's been a mix of 'consensus' and 'majority rule' >> ** Omar: we need to find a middle ground, this and other problems won't >> go away. >> ** Andrew: why wasn't this brought up at a meeting in a formal manner? >> *** some/all of this could have been avoided >> **** Devin: This was indeed rushed through due to percieved cash shortages >> ** Justin: I had brought this up during proposals. There was a general >> thought that we were lacking on funds and had a new space to build-out. The >> rent was come up with after reviewing some notes and the treasurers own >> finance reports detailing possible raises in dues. >> *** the lease was brought up on the build layout with discussion Torrie >> was party to. The sublease was signed by the same person who signed the >> lease by SynHak. Justin was under the impression of authority. >> *** Counter-proposal: End the Lease at 6-months, My own legal council >> disagrees with Torries legal council's opinion. >> ** Mike: Disagreements in legal opinion normally get decided in court. >> Our most valuable asset is not our space but it is our members. This has >> been drawn out far too long. >> *** I too was under the impression that there was consensus, while there >> had been no vote, there was no ill-intent. I have no problem with the >> 6-month lease, nor a full year lease >> ** Steve: There should have been and still needs to be a vote. THis is >> getting tiring. >> ** Torrie: I've been trying to have a discusssion, questions have been >> ignored, people refuse to talk to me. >> *** Documentation for any of this is lacking >> *** The lease was never reviewed, subleasing space is antithetical to >> SynHak. Having a monopoly on the space goes against our mission >> *** Voting vs Consensus: Whats the point? We've gone by consensus for >> most other decisions. voting ends up in the majority steamrolling someone. >> ** Tim: Finding a solution for now and repairing friendships may be more >> important than finding ways to right wrongs done. >> ** Becca: We don't have a time machine. Finishing out the 6-month lease >> seems to be the easiest way to resolve this. >> *** We should decide to no longer lease out space. >> *** Mike Agrees >> ** Mike: we've learned our lesson, there probably doesn't need to be a >> formal rule >> ** Omar: hindsight is 20/20. This came about as a result of questions >> left unanswered at the old space and got lost in the confusion of the move >> and transitioning to a new treasurer. Majority opinion ranged from >> uninterested to unopposing. >> *** Too much of this was verbal only, so if you weren't there you had no >> idea what was said. >> *** differing legal opinions are expensive to resolve, lets do some other >> way. >> *** We need Torrie, A champion not involved, and the business officer of >> Something New, LLC in the same room. >> ** Justin: I want this over with, voted on, no consensus, no working >> group. I've been defaced in a public forum. >> ** Torrie: If voting(without consensus) occurs I resign. >> ** Justin: I don't feel the things already brought up are reasonable. >> ** Torrie: I am open to discussin alternatives. This proposal is fluid, >> lets find a solution that works for everyone. Consensus is the important >> thing. >> ** Justin: Proposals have exact text, with hard lines. This wording has >> been on the books for a while if people didn't proxy or arrange to be >> present they didn't have much though on the matter. >> ** Omar: Emotions often make people want to rush things. Lets make sure >> we don't do that. >> ** Steve: Consensus vs voting discussion is new to me. We need to vote on >> this >> **** A vote has been proposed and seconded. >> ** Jeff: This is my second meeting, I thought I was going to hear about >> making things, not all this. I read a book about a nun who started a TV >> network. Sanate: healing at the root. If we go into a legal battle we will >> lose a member. Much of this discussion has not lived up to the ideals on >> your website. >> ** Justin: The wiki is editable by everyone and anyone. Bylaws are >> permenant and our 'rules'. >> ** Becca: I just want to know if we don't go forward with a vote, how do >> we resolve this so Something New LLC has enough time to find a new space. >> ** Torrie: Anyone can modify proposals prior to or at meetings. I want to >> reach common ground. I don't want to throw away everything I've worked for. >> I -want- to agree. >> ** Steve: We should just vote on it >> ** Craig: Consensus doesn't work with 2 hard lines in the sand >> ** Becca: It seemed to the me that that was the case, this appears to not >> be the case. >> ** Tim: Torrie wants to keep this from happening again in the future, and >> resolved no. Justin wants to mitigate impacts to business, and to not be >> evicted. >> *** We want to this end quickly was well. What do you thing the earliest >> you could move out is. >> *** Justin Correct, it's hard to find rentable space that fits my height >> and area needs. I don't know, finding space for my racks is hard, I've been >> looking. Offering to help move is nice. I really need 6 months to find a >> new space. If it's not possible, I can try to dissolve the lease, but the >> company is not just me. >> ** Torrie: I just want out space back, more than 6 months will get me >> angry again. >> *** I want the space back, I will find whatever you want I just want the >> space back. >> ** Things were rushed through that shouldn't have been. >> ** Everyone will make their best effort to assist Something New LLC to >> vacate the sub-lease with SynHak early. >> *** No Legal repercussions. >> *** Both Parties will agree >> ** G: I've been listening. There seems to be some disagreement and lack >> of actual lease in hand. I don't want to hear about the lease ever again. >> *** I'm familiar with beauracracy, records are good. >> *** We need a paper records, We need a copy tonight. >> **** G will use interesting methods to distribute it if we don't get one. >> ** Tim is an awesome mediator. >> >> * I propose an ammendment of the SynHak Bylaws to reflect our current >> address and principle office as 48S Summit, Akron, Oh. >> ** Consensed, voted, approved. >> * >> >> == Discussion Items == >> >> If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be >> postponed until after the meeting ends. >> >> During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exactly what each >> person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or >> controversy here. 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