On Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:09:41 alex kot wrote: > Since LKML is down you can read the context in the point of view from > phoronix. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1MzA
Moronix is a terrible rag of yellow journalism. Here's straight from the Debian developers who recently had a thorough discussion on the merits of various init systems when picking the one to use for the release of Jessie: http://lwn.net/Articles/578208/ Also if you want a more thorough summary of the multi-month discussion in the style of Phoenix Wright: http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684 > > Torrie, > I don’t disagree; a universal init is much needed. This will help with > segmentation in Linux and improve reliability, documentation, and > stability. The problem with systemd is the approach they are going. > Developers seem not to test things and want to throw it into mainstream. > Also the concept to integrated things into the kernel that are not part of > the monolithical kernel I am against. For anyone who wants to see that is > a comparison/breakdown of init on gentoo’s wiki. > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems > I have a feeling the more we talk about init this will turn into a VIM vs > EMACs debate, lol. systemd has been around for four years and has been the default init system on various distros for just as long. Things are in fact tested and not just foisted upon users. The developers don't even have control of what "mainstream" is. The packagers and distro maintainers make that choice based on the real technical merits of the software. > > Pat, > This has nothing to do with Linus being biased. The person in question is > not a female or a minority. His approach is the same when it came to > Sharp. It was pretty much, can’t write good code that won’t break the > kernel get out. I don’t know why that whole thing with Sharp blew up. An > example if I am an owner of a lock company and a person came in and used > cheap metal by going against the standard production methods. Now these > locks are easily broken into. I don’t care who you are you are going to > reprimanded. > > On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:48 AM, Patrick Regan > <patrick.rubbs.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:37 PM, alex kot <alexk...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > The public shaming was a plus. > > TL;DR: Shaming ideas = Good. Shaming people = Bad. > Public "shaming" and harshness of ideas is great. But Linus also has a > history of shaming people, which I don't agree is conducive for good > collaboration. You ever notice how there are not a whole lot of female > kernel developers? How about a whole lot of other minorities? > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends > -his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/ > > > Sharp in the above article isn't perfect and hasn't convinced me we need a > "professional" community. But the point I think she makes and Linus doesn't > get is that ideas deserve to go through the shredder. The ones that remain > are likely pretty good. But people don't deserve a shredder. > > I can't read the lkml link as the site is unresponsive right now, so I don't > know exactly how this particular instance went down. > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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