If you publish something, it's not automatically copyrighted, it has to be
somewhat unique. Your blog is certainly copyrighted because it's unique/a work
of art; your blog is not copyrighted simply because you publish it.
The fair use clause in copyright law also relates to how the content is used.
If Robert is using that data for research, he is fine (however, the site
specifically prohibits using that data outside it's catalog, but that's an
aside). The part numbers and descriptions may have been publicised on
microfiche one time, but if a company went through great pains to digitize it
and make it available/searchable, it's not necessarily there for the taking and
I think it would be considered a work of art.
If a search engine spiders your site and makes it available through it's search
mechanism, it does so to direct traffic to your site and not because it's in
the same business as you are. The content is used for a different purpose and
therefore it may be fair use.
(Obviously I'm not a lawyer :-)
/m
> The content on my site is public, but it is also copyrighted by the fact that
> its been published. The line is pretty clear.
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe, CEH
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On Jun 8, 2006, at 3:00 PM, John Mason wrote:
I'm not a lawyer but I would think that if the content is public (no login
required, etc) that it could easily fall into a possible "free-use". Otherwise,
the caching servers and browsers that save and storage the content and images
could be breaking the copyright by default as well. Of course, some copyright
statements may have that exception written in somewhere. There's certainly a
blurred line with this.
John
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:16 PM
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Good question... and I am not sure of a good answer on that one. I've always
wondered how Google and the WayBackMachine get away with it and call it
"fair-use".
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe, CEH
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On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:05 PM, John Mason wrote:
First, I'm not advocating data mining. From the system admin side of
things, it generally annoys me, but just out of curiosity what is the legal
difference between data mining a public site and a search engine bot that
indexes the content and images. Seems to me they would be doing the same
thing?
John
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Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.
-dhs
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On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Robert Reil wrote:
Hi all.
Good to see all at the meeting last night.
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Data Mining.................
I am gearing up to do some data mining from some sites.
Preech told me about <cfhttp> to make this work.
You gurus out there if you have a second. Do you see any problems with
mining the content of:
http://www.alpha-sports.com/suzuki_parts.htm
The site lists years, then models, then categorys for that yr/mdl, then
lists a picture, and a list of items, part numbers, and notes.
I need to get ALL this data for all years, models, categories, images,
item number, item desc, part no, and notes.
Does this site seem friendly enough to start my journey towards this
required result?
Any rough draft hints on where to start?
This will me my first CF code creating adventure.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:24 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
I worked with the CF version back in 1999.
Chris
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Paul Morton
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:34 AM
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Cody,
I'm surprised to hear that. My understanding is that the CF version has
been around a while. That's a good point for me to get
clarified.
I did hear (from an Able Commerce employee) that the current
development team tends to develop improvements on the DotNet platform
first and apply the changes to the CF version latter.
It looks like the client is leaning towards the CF version right now
just due to the lower learning curve to modify source code. They have
no experience in either technology but are much more impressed with the
ease of understandability in the CF side.
Thanks for the feedback.
Paul Morton
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Wehunt
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:07 PM
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Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
Paul,
Also keep in mind that the CF version is fairly new compared to the
Dot Net (old ASP) version. On a project I worked on in the past I
found it odd they actually sold a beta. But the good thing is I think
forthe money you can definitely get some great built in
functionality.
Cody
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Morton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:05 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
I am interested in feedback on Able Commerce . I have a client that
is very interested in moving to that package, and would welcome your
thoughts on any support issues, performance, or implementation
issues.
Any thoughts on the Dot Net version vs. the CFMX version would also
be helpful.
Paul Morton
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