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This response is not directed at any one individual and therefore
should not
be taken personally by any one individual. However as they say. "If
the shoe
fits..."
...>
I have renamed this email as shown so that those who want to help
can reply
to the other thread, and those that want to discuss legal politics
(I don't)
can discuss it on this thread.
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So what's the deal...?
Is the subject of more help due to questionable legalities from
some of YOUR
perspectives negating the ability to provide help and direction?
I have gotten very little help (those that have helped thank you
very much)
but I sure have gotten A LOT of UNSOLICITED FLACK about the moral
issues of
what we are trying to do.
Help is available everywhere. Some places are better helps than
others. You
guys are near, uniquely qualified, mostly friendly, and in general
I hear
helpful. I hope that things work out with us all as I am trying to
find a
way to get rolling in the CF language and community. But
honestly..., I'm
getting a bad taste in my mouth digging through the politics today
to try to
glean some wisdom from the gurus about starting down a road that I
need to
travel.
I'm trying hard to learn be patient, and I need solutions. I'm
desperate to
find them and my pockets are not deep. Some day they will be and I
can hire
folks from the list to work full time if need be, but not now. So
for now, I
grovel and beg for kind assistance.
I could say more, but... in an attempt to humble myself... I
digress...
Ok Im off my soap box.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:48 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!
If you publish something, it's not automatically copyrighted, it
has to be
somewhat unique. Your blog is certainly copyrighted because it's
unique/a
work of art; your blog is not copyrighted simply because you
publish it.
The fair use clause in copyright law also relates to how the
content is
used. If Robert is using that data for research, he is fine
(however, the
site specifically prohibits using that data outside it's catalog,
but that's
an aside). The part numbers and descriptions may have been
publicised on
microfiche one time, but if a company went through great pains to
digitize
it and make it available/searchable, it's not necessarily there for
the
taking and I think it would be considered a work of art.
If a search engine spiders your site and makes it available through
it's
search mechanism, it does so to direct traffic to your site and not
because
it's in the same business as you are. The content is used for a
different
purpose and therefore it may be fair use.
(Obviously I'm not a lawyer :-)
/m
The content on my site is public, but it is also copyrighted by
the fact
that its been published. The line is pretty clear.
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only
by the
peoples' willingness to contest them"
--John Perry Barlow
Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd
On Jun 8, 2006, at 3:00 PM, John Mason wrote:
I'm not a lawyer but I would think that if the content is public
(no login
required, etc) that it could easily fall into a possible "free-use".
Otherwise, the caching servers and browsers that save and storage the
content and images could be breaking the copyright by default as
well. Of
course, some copyright statements may have that exception written in
somewhere. There's certainly a blurred line with this.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean
H. Saxe
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:16 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!
Good question... and I am not sure of a good answer on that one.
I've
always wondered how Google and the WayBackMachine get away with
it and
call it "fair-use".
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Free speech exercised both individually and through a free
press, is a
necessity in any country where people are themselves free."
-- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918
Find out about my Hike for Discovery at
www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd
On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:05 PM, John Mason wrote:
First, I'm not advocating data mining. From the system admin
side of
things, it generally annoys me, but just out of curiosity what
is the
legal difference between data mining a public site and a search
engine
bot that indexes the content and images. Seems to me they would
be doing
the same thing?
John
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Dean H.
Saxe
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!
Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them theyare being
attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country
to danger. It works the same in every country."
--Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg
Trials
Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd
On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Robert Reil wrote:
Hi all.
Good to see all at the meeting last night.
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Data Mining.................
I am gearing up to do some data mining from some sites.
Preech told me about <cfhttp> to make this work.
You gurus out there if you have a second. Do you see any
problems
with mining the content of:
http://www.alpha-sports.com/suzuki_parts.htm
The site lists years, then models, then categorys for that
yr/mdl,
then lists a picture, and a list of items, part numbers, and
notes.
I need to get ALL this data for all years, models, categories,
images, item number, item desc, part no, and notes.
Does this site seem friendly enough to start my journey
towards this
required result?
Any rough draft hints on where to start?
This will me my first CF code creating adventure.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:24 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
I worked with the CF version back in 1999.
Chris
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of
Paul Morton
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:34 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
Cody,
I'm surprised to hear that. My understanding is that the CF
version
has been around a while. That's a good point for me to get
clarified.
I did hear (from an Able Commerce employee) that the current
development team tends to develop improvements on the DotNet
platform first and apply the changes to the CF version latter.
It looks like the client is leaning towards the CF version
right now
just due to the lower learning curve to modify source code.
They
have no experience in either technology but are much more
impressed
with the ease of understandability in the CF side.
Thanks for the feedback.
Paul Morton
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Cody
Wehunt
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:07 PM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
Paul,
Also keep in mind that the CF version is fairly new
compared to
the Dot Net (old ASP) version. On a project I worked on
in the
past I found it odd they actually sold a beta. But the
good thing
is I think forthe money you can definitely get some great
built in
functionality.
Cody
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Paul
Morton
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:05 AM
To: discussion@acfug.org
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce
I am interested in feedback on Able Commerce . I have a
client
that is very interested in moving to that package, and would
welcome your thoughts on any support issues, performance, or
implementation issues.
Any thoughts on the Dot Net version vs. the CFMX version
would
also be helpful.
Paul Morton
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