Good perspectives. I see how I am learning to visualize all this myself. But since IM the customer/designer/developer/cf/dba then I can omit the photoshop step and settle for wafflehouse napkins and pencil. lol... Good stuff Dusty, thanks. Gives me a good perspective on the process.
Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/> _____ From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:16 PM To: Carbs Sales&Service Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) I'll share my basic process for design and HTML .... I do all design rough drafting in a graphics program (Photoshop). When doing this I try to keep in mind what is possible and not possible with HTML. Then present the drafts to the client just as a Jpeg image. This makes it really easy to change things if it's not approved. Once approved, then my next task is to figure the best way to produce a clean HTML template as close to the comp as possible using clean hand coded HTML. Then that template can be reused for multiple screens. Once you grasp it, you'll be amazed at how easy it can be to hand-code vs. dealing with wysiwyg issues. I learned this process years ago while working on larger teams. The really talented designer would do the proposed designs in Photoshop then hand off to folks that would do the HTML template and build out site prototypes. Once the prototype was approved the CF folks would step in to create the applications and databases. Now I'm freelance so I either have to do it all or outsource specific pieces (like the design work). D _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) Well im a total non programmer kicking and screaming my way into developing our corprate intranet. I try hard to dot I's, and cross T's when i write code. I use checking tools when available and that makes better code for our live site to be more google friendly as our SEO is priority to stay in business. So i use WYSIWYG for rough drafting, then debug the code and overcome the subtleties. I have done HTML work in the past but I guess im a designer trying to get the developer mentality. But in reality im not a code jockey. I just need the fastest way to do things. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/> _____ From: Dusty Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:04 PM To: Carbs Sales&Service Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) this is just subjective I suppose but I have never seen "ANY" wysiwyg editor that truly works good enough for me to use. DW included. No matter what, I always have to fix the HTML mistakes that they make. My philosophy is to be proficient with HTML and CSS especially if your a developer. And if you do use wysiwyg then it is even more important to know HTML so you can fix the mistakes wysiwyg makes. Once a site starts to use CF as a development platform, it becomes even more important that the HTML code is up to par and a good editor with tag intelligence is a wiser choice (like DW code view, homesite, etc). Now on the other hand, great "designers" like to concentrate on their creative skills and not their code skills. In an ideal world designers would only "design" (in a graphics program) website interfaces, then hand off to others to code a template with clean and understandable HTML that "developers" can use to "develop". the world is not ideal though so I understand many of us myself included wear multiple hats. -D _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teddy Payne Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:18 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) CFEclipse probably won't support WYSIWYG, but as Howard Fore had mentioned that part of the MyEclipse project that there is a designer perspective. You can see a screen shots here: http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html <http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.html> On 4/4/07, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Thanks for that... Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com <http://Motorcyclecarbs.com> , Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com <http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com> -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:03 PM To: Carbs Sales&Service Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] A whole new key for CFEclipse =) Then you should probably stick to DW. I don't see CFEclipse fully supporting WYSIWYG in the near future. Many code centric developers felt abandoned when Homesite/CFStudio development ended. DW has never really been acceptable to this group, and that's where CFEclipse really came from - a desire to have a good code centric IDE. -Cameron On 4/4/07, Robert Reil < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Im a windoze wysiwyg gui kinda guy. ------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform <http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists <http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com <http://www.fusionlink.com> ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform <http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists <http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists> Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ <http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com <http://www.fusionlink.com> ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Teddy R. 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