> The setup.py interface makes all this possible, which is why so

> many Python packages use it to configure themselves automatically.
>
> Deprecating this interface would make some distributions impossible
> to install without manual user intervention and we'd be back to the
> Makefile.pre.in days.


I thought there was a general consensus to move *away* from the need to run 
setup.py when it's practicable to do so. There was no choice about this with 
distutils and setuptools, but going forwards, I'm not sure about "impossible to 
install" as long as *some* mechanism is there for package publisher-defined 
code to run at installation time. However, setup.py as it is now is a complete 
free-for-all where anything goes, which I don't think is a good thing. Many 
PyPI packages are installable with distil (which doesn't use setup.py at 
installation time), and that includes packages with C extensions, Cython, and 
even Fortran. The packages distil has problems with are those that do 
significant things in setup.py, such as moving files around in the source tree, 
generating new source files, subclassing distutils so you can't see what the 
actual operations being carried out are, etc. I'm fairly sure that all of these 
things can be accommodated using installation
 time-hooks with sensible APIs rather than the ad hoc-ery of setup.py.

Of course I'm not suggesting that publishers have to rework existing releases - 
it's just that the setup.py scheme is a bit archaic and not entirely 
problem-free.

Regards,

Vinay Sajip
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