> On Mar 30, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Daniel Holth <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Donald Stufft <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Daniel Holth <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> setup.py as implemented with distutils/setuptools has a bit of a >>> Goldilocks problem: it's just right for a medium-complexity project >>> but when your project is very simple it's too hard, and when you get >>> to the point where you are trying to extend distutils by writing a >>> 10,000 line extension, yikes. So it's fantastic to be able to just >>> avoid distutils entirely if it isn't the right size for your project. >>> This example, flit, does not invoke any code from distutils, >>> setuptools or bdist_wheel to do its thing. >>> >>> A source release could just be an archive of the repository. >>> >> >> An archive of the repository is not the same thing as a source release. >> >> Honestly, most of my setup.py’s look basically the same as a flit ini >> file, just inside of python instead of ini. For example, I’m not sure >> how something like https://github.com/pypa/packaging/blob/master/setup.py >> or https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/blob/master/setup.py or >> https://github.com/pypa/twine/blob/master/setup.py or >> https://github.com/pypa/readme/blob/master/setup.py would be improved by >> moving it to a ini file instead of a python file. >> >> The current toolchain absolutely has some problems, but I’m not convinced >> that shuffling around the same data into different locations is the answer >> to those problems. > > The way to solve the problems is to allow anyone to try by providing > good hooks that do not require extending distutils.
Sure. Which is why that’s what we’ve essentially been doing. Like I said I have no problems with flit itself other than I think it needs to produce sdists to be a reasonable solution. I don’t personally think it’s much easier to work with than a simple setup.py (and in my experience, I often want a simple.py plus a little extra) but I have no problem with its existence as long as it learns how to produce sdists. --- Donald Stufft PGP: 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA
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