> On May 6, 2016, at 12:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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> If you don’t have setuptools, you don’t have pip.

Not true anymore, pip is perfectly capable of running and installing things 
without setuptools now days. The only time you *need* setuptools installed is 
if you’re installing from a sdist (and setuptools has wheels, so you can 
install setuptools with pip withouth setuptools already being installed).

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