I think either approach works, but if we do go with a glibc-versioned tag
that we make it explicit in the tag, e.g. `manylinux_glibc_{version}`. That
way if we ever choose to support musl (for Alpine) we can.
The one question I do have is how the compatibility tags will work for a
tagged platform? E.g. if you say manylinux_glibc_2_12 for manylinux2010,
then do we generate from 2.12 down to 1.0 (or whatever the floor is for
manylinux1)? This would match how compatibility tags work on macOS where
you go from your macOS version all the way down to the first version
supporting your CPU architecture.
And just to double-check, I'm assuming we don't want to just jump straight
to distro tags and say if you're centos_6 compatible then you're fine? I
assume that would potentially over-reach on compatibility in terms of what
might be dynamically-linked against, but I thought I would ask because
otherwise the glibc-tagged platform will be a unique hybrid of macOS + not
an actual OS restriction.
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 00:10, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The manylinux1 -> manylinux2010 transition has turned out to be very
> difficult. Timeline so far:
>
> March 2017: CentOS 5 went EOL
> April 2018: PEP 517 accepted
> May 2018: support for manylinux2010 lands in warehouse
> November 2018: support lands in auditwheel, and pip master
> December 2018: 21 months after CentOS 5 EOL, wwee still don't have an
> official build environment, or support in a pip release
>
> We'll get through this, but it's been super painful and maybe we can
> change things somehow so it will suck less next time.
>
> We don't have anything like this pain on Windows or macOS. We never have
> to update pip, warehouse, etc., after those OSes hit EOLs. Why not?
>
> On Windows, we have just two tags: "win32" and "win_amd64". These are
> defined to mean something like "this wheel will run on any recent-ish
> Windows system". So the meaning of the tag actually changes over time: it
> used to be that if a wheel said it ran on win32, then that meant it would
> work on winxp, but since winxp hit EOL people started uploading "win32"
> wheels that don't work on winxp, and that's worked fine.
>
> On macOS, the tags look like "macosx_10_9_x86_64". So here we have the OS
> version embedded in the tag. This means that we do occasionally switch
> which tags we're using, kind of like how manylinux1 -> manylinux2010 is
> intended to work. But, unlike for the manylinux tags, defining a new macosx
> tag is totally trivial: every time a new OS version is released, the tag
> springs into existence without any human intervention. Warehouse already
> accepts uploads with this tag; pip already knows which systems can install
> wheels with this tag, etc.
>
> Can we take any inspiration from this for manylinux?
>
> We could do the Windows thing, and have a plain "manylinux" tag that means
> "any recent-ish glibc-based Linux". Today it would be defined to be "any
> distro newer than CentOS 6". When CentOS 6 goes out of service, we could
> tweak the definition to be "any distro newer than CentOS 7". Most parts of
> the toolchain wouldn't need to be updated, though, because the tag wouldn't
> change, and by assumption, enforcement wouldn't really be needed, because
> the only people who could break would be ones running on unsupported
> platforms. Just like happens on Windows.
>
> We could do the macOS thing, and have a "manylinux_${glibc version}" tag
> that means "this package works on any Linux using glibc newer than ${glibc
> version}". We're already using this as our heuristic to handle the current
> manylinux profiles, so e.g. manylinux1 is effectively equivalent to
> manylinux_2_5, and manylinux2010 will be equivalent to manylinux_2_12. That
> way we'd define the manylinux tags once, get support into pip and warehouse
> and auditwheel once, and then in the future the only thing that would have
> to change to support new distro releases or new architectures would be to
> set up a proper build environment.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> -n
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