I can't make it at 14:00 UTC but will look out for any updates from what is discussed. Hopefully have some interesting mapping party related ideas to share later in the year.
Thanks, Tim > From: diversity-talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org > Subject: diversity-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2 > To: diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:00:52 +0000 > > Send diversity-talk mailing list submissions to > diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > diversity-talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of diversity-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity (Steven Johnson) > 2. Re: Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity (Kate Chapman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:12:24 -0400 > From: Steven Johnson <sejohns...@gmail.com> > To: Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com>, diversity-talk > <diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org>, teach...@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing > Diversity > Message-ID: > <CAG4b_xS7ktM0KQs8RtUzFiCVa1DQEgZbmVSmPm=z3Mh=D6e==g...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kate & lists, > > If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in. > > As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying to > make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are some > transferable lessons for the OSM community. > > I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the > conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through education > and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved > mapping at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base > of contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched > toward a younger audience. > > Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up > birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference. > > SEJ > > -- SEJ > -- twitter: @geomantic > -- skype: sejohnson8 > > There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from > incomplete data. > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible > > steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most > > people that are interested? > > > > I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone > > wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works > > internationally). > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Kate > > > > (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing the > > > gender gap in Wikipedia(1). > > > > > > Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a > > > diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up > > > page or whatever software they are using to organize. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -Kate > > > (1) > > http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale > > > <rjh...@northrivergeographic.com> wrote: > > >> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be > > they > > >> black white male female or green. > > >> > > >> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new editors > > and > > >> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki > > (which > > >> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people that > > >> don't consider OSM their own personal playground. > > >> > > >> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered it > > >> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe > > when > > >> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT - which > > is > > >> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have > > their own > > >> merits. > > >> > > >> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM win? > > For > > >> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly person to map their > > neighborhood > > >> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I have > > >> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM - > > there > > >> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and > > understanding and > > >> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US > > Virgin > > >> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something I > > >> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they "love" > > on > > >> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second question > > >> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get > > active". > > >> The second question always worried me. > > >> > > >> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect to > > OSM > > >> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other talk > > >> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs > > >> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a select > > >> group? What is the current community? How is that defined? > > >> > > >> > > >> Randy > > >> > > >> ----------------- > > >> Randal Hale, GISP > > >> North River Geographic Systems, Inc > > >> http://www.northrivergeographic.com > > >> 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com > > >> rjh...@northrivergeographic.com > > >> twitter:rjhale > > >> http://about.me/rjhale > > >> > > >> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote: > > >> > > >> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at events, > > are: > > >> > > >> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with the > > people > > >> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to the > > >> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the know. > > >> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved. > > Diversity > > >> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <foz...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi All, > > >>> > > >>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity. > > >>> > > >>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to include a > > few > > >>> tips on how to be inclusive. > > >>> > > >>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And to > > be > > >>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient, beer). > > And > > >>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up with > > >>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups (which > > has > > >>> worked to some extent). > > >>> > > >>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to do > > and > > >>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But > > IMHO if > > >>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the venues, > > >>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find different > > >>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices > > etc). > > >>> > > >>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Tim > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> diversity-talk mailing list > > >>> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> diversity-talk mailing list > > >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> diversity-talk mailing list > > >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity-talk mailing list > > diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/diversity-talk/attachments/20140326/75111df9/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:38:39 +0700 > From: Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> > To: Steven Johnson <sejohns...@gmail.com> > Cc: diversity-talk <diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org>, > teach...@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing > Diversity > Message-ID: > <cagn7morvfzycbsxe61zf69cdth3solsecbzycf+qat9aq_v...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Steven, > > Yes April 2nd. > > I agree I think education is very important way to get people > interested. HOT has been in the midst of a "University Roadshow" > within Indonesia. We will have introduced 11 universities to > OpenStreetMap as well as given students a chance to sign-up for > workshops. > > Thanks, > > -Kate > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Steven Johnson <sejohns...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Kate & lists, > > > > If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in. > > > > As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying to > > make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are some > > transferable lessons for the OSM community. > > > > I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the > > conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through education > > and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved mapping > > at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base of > > contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched toward a > > younger audience. > > > > Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up > > birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference. > > > > SEJ > > > > -- SEJ > > -- twitter: @geomantic > > -- skype: sejohnson8 > > > > There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from > > incomplete data. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible > >> steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most > >> people that are interested? > >> > >> I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone > >> wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works > >> internationally). > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> -Kate > >> > >> (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing the > >> > gender gap in Wikipedia(1). > >> > > >> > Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a > >> > diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up > >> > page or whatever software they are using to organize. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > -Kate > >> > (1) > >> > http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap > >> > > >> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale > >> > <rjh...@northrivergeographic.com> wrote: > >> >> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be > >> >> they > >> >> black white male female or green. > >> >> > >> >> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new editors > >> >> and > >> >> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki > >> >> (which > >> >> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people that > >> >> don't consider OSM their own personal playground. > >> >> > >> >> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered it > >> >> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe > >> >> when > >> >> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT - which > >> >> is > >> >> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have > >> >> their own > >> >> merits. > >> >> > >> >> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM win? > >> >> For > >> >> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly person to map their > >> >> neighborhood > >> >> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I have > >> >> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM - > >> >> there > >> >> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and > >> >> understanding and > >> >> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US > >> >> Virgin > >> >> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something I > >> >> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they "love" > >> >> on > >> >> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second > >> >> question > >> >> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get > >> >> active". > >> >> The second question always worried me. > >> >> > >> >> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect to > >> >> OSM > >> >> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other talk > >> >> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs > >> >> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a > >> >> select > >> >> group? What is the current community? How is that defined? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Randy > >> >> > >> >> ----------------- > >> >> Randal Hale, GISP > >> >> North River Geographic Systems, Inc > >> >> http://www.northrivergeographic.com > >> >> 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com > >> >> rjh...@northrivergeographic.com > >> >> twitter:rjhale > >> >> http://about.me/rjhale > >> >> > >> >> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote: > >> >> > >> >> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at events, > >> >> are: > >> >> > >> >> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with the > >> >> people > >> >> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to the > >> >> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the know. > >> >> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved. > >> >> Diversity > >> >> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <foz...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi All, > >> >>> > >> >>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity. > >> >>> > >> >>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to include a > >> >>> few > >> >>> tips on how to be inclusive. > >> >>> > >> >>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And to > >> >>> be > >> >>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient, beer). > >> >>> And > >> >>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up with > >> >>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups (which > >> >>> has > >> >>> worked to some extent). > >> >>> > >> >>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to do > >> >>> and > >> >>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But > >> >>> IMHO if > >> >>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the > >> >>> venues, > >> >>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find different > >> >>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices > >> >>> etc). > >> >>> > >> >>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Tim > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> diversity-talk mailing list > >> >>> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > >> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> diversity-talk mailing list > >> >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> diversity-talk mailing list > >> >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> diversity-talk mailing list > >> diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > diversity-talk mailing list > diversity-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/diversity-talk > > > End of diversity-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2 > ********************************************
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