Dave,

It's my hope that some illustrative examples, if presented briefly and succinctly more for their goals/differences than for their technical details, will be of great help. Examples can: - help people understand abstract goals, and as importantly, understand them in the same way (I've seen people interpret a requirement like "privacy" very differently and not even realize their different interpretations, until concrete cases came up) - convince BOF attendees who haven't worked on such a system personally that such systems exist, are deployed, are not theoretical or research

I'll work with the BOF speakers to make sure that the presentations of existing solutions focus on high-level stuff: problem statement, goals and requirements, models and key differences.

I do agree with your list of questions and that they need to be answered, let's work on that. I encourage the people involved in SXIP and Passel and anything else to post real use cases they feel are particularly illustrative.

In the meantime, I expect people participating on this list in advance of the BOF to read the documentary input.

Thanks,
Lisa

On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:



Good questions.
I helped write the spec for a technology called Passel that attempted to solve some problems in this space, and the whitepaper may be of interest
to those on this list:
http://passel.org/whitepaper.html


Something like that provides good input.

However...

I think the real issue is getting participants on the list to share a basic
model.  External papers won't do that.

The summary list that prompted my own questions was specifically useful for making explicit, brief statements to the group, for the group to consider. My feeling is that we need to do same, simple, explicit thing for answering the
questions I asked.

Until we have that, and until we have converged on agreement about the answers, we are likely -- actually I consider it a certainty -- to have folks wandering about the mailing list with wildly different assumptions and expectations about
the work and the desired output.

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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