thanks for your reply Jacob.

Am 30.11.2006 um 15:27 schrieb Jacob Kaplan-Moss:

>
> On 11/30/06 6:51 AM, patrickk wrote:
>> we had this problems recently:
>> 1. it´s currently not clear which columns are searched when using the
>> search-field in the admin-list. that´s sometimes very strange,
>> especially when using model-methods.
>> 2. it´s not possible to have multiple search-fields, each one
>> searching different columns. this is very restrictive IMHO.
>
> While those are certainly good, valid criticisms, I should point  
> out that
> there are equally valid criticisms of multiple search fields. The most
> prevalaent one, and the one we thought about when making a single  
> search
> field, was the "which box am I supposed to search in?" problem.
>
> Remember: the admin is designed for non-technical users; many  
> people who use
> it on a daily basis have no idea what a "model" or a "field" is,  
> and to them a
> bunch of search boxes can just be intimidating.

I see your point (somehow).

Still, having the _possibility_ to have multiple search-fields, it´s  
still the designers/programmers decision whether to use them or not.
Moreover, I don´t see why multiple search-fields have anything to do  
with the knowledge of models and/or fields.

Note: We're currently having about 15 people/editors using the Django  
Admin-Interface and the lack of search-options is probably the most  
critized issue (I know that this is a very personal experience ...).

>
> Again, it's not that your criticisms aren't good -- they are! -- I  
> just want
> to point out that we've considered the trade-offs here.
>
>> since my last post concerning the admin-interface didn´t provoke any
>> reactions, I´m not quite sure whether this issues are interesting for
>> the django-developers.
>
> In general, I prefer the admin interface to be more "top down" than  
> the rest
> of Django.  I can go more into depth about my philosophy here if  
> anyone's
> interested, but it really boils down to the fact that open source  
> *design*
> doesn't work nearly as well as open source *code*. So I beg your  
> forgiveness
> while we keep the admin cards close to our chest.

I´m very interested in your philosophy.

offtopic:
I´ve just been watching the screencast for the Symfony Admin  
Generator and I was really impressed with the flexibility.

At the risk of changing the thread-issue I´m listing some (very  
personal) advantages of the Symfony Admin Generator here:
1) multiple search-fields (yes, again).
2) flexibility: since Symfony generates a single HTML-page for every  
list and form, it´s very ease to (re)design a page. In Django, there 
´s HTML-Code generated within the views (which is very strange, IMHO).
3) the configuration is not in the models-file. IMHO, the models-file  
is the wrong place.
4) validation error-messages can be overwritten without using the  
language-file (you are able to do that in the configuration-file).

patrick

>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacob
>
> >


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