On 6/19/07, Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 18 jun, 23:17, Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm going to give this one more pass and then dropout. We're just going
> > around in circles now.
> It's true that we are around circles, and I understand that you wann't
> make that little change. It's more comfortable to have the framework
> configured to your localization that:
>
> * to thinking in in the rest of people
> * doesn't continue believing that USA is the world
> * and that the international standards, -created to facilitate the
> data interchange between all countries-, are not worthy for them.
>
> Indeed I just read the next news that leaves very clear what I am
> saying:
> http://digg.com/general_sciences/Nations_who_have_not_yet_adopted_the_metric_system_pic
>
> "Nations who have not yet adopted the metric system"
> Only 3 countries in all world have not adopted it. I'm sure that you
> guess one of them. I guess it :P

Besides the fact that you're being utterly unproductive with your
combative attitude here, you *do* realize Malcolm is Australian,
right?

Furthermore, you're trying to "shame" a project that has a stellar
internationalization track record.  Trust me -- these guys "get it".
Apparently, you don't.


> > Do you really say 2007-06-18 when your friends ask you what the date is?
> > Does your grandmother, who doesn't use computers as much as you do, use
> > that format? We are trying to encourage websites that feel natural to
> > all users, not just friendly for people who have used computers all
> > their lives.
> I remember to you that we are to interacting with computers, not with
> persons. It's by that reason that the operating systems show date and
> time in that format -at least in my Debian- but it's possible that
> you're using Windows.

Did you miss the point, stated several times, that all of this has
*nothing* to do with the internal representation of the date/time?
Changing the format will have *nothing* to do with how your server
stores the time.  "YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS" is just as much a *human*
convention as any other textual date/time format; the database *does
not* store the date like that.

:: sighs and goes back to doing more productive things ::

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