On 8/8/07, Tom Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think there's a good psychological / community case to be made for
> making django.template available standalone; as I put it earlier, many
> people just don't like importing stuff they don't intend to use, no
> matter how small it may be byte-wise.  Requiring someone to install
> Django just to use the templating system is going to prevent them, in
> various cases, from bothering at all.

If this is your primary reason for suggesting django.template be a
standalone library, it doesn't win me (and, it's safe to say, Malcolm)
over. I am in 100% agreement with Malcolm that saying "We only
distribute one version of Django" is reasonable.

For what it's worth, here's a personal narrative. I am extremely anal
about Python packages. When a setuptools-ish package craps all over my
site-packages directory, installing 15 packages that I
may-or-may-not-use-but-we'll-install-them-just-in-case, I'm not happy.
I see it as a gross invasion of my personal space, like the jerks who
insert advertisements on my car's windshield while I'm parked at a
grocery store. But I do not care if a *single* package includes more
code than I want to use.

What I *do* think is worth fixing is allowing the template system to
be used on its own, for the simple, common case, without having to
configure stuff. This is what I was trying to explain in my last
e-mail. Tom, if we solved that, would you be happy?

In short: I want to understand your goal. If you want to offer a
smaller download, then that doesn't justify the hassle of making this
change. If you want us to make it easier to use the template system
without configuration, let's talk.

Adrian

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Adrian Holovaty
holovaty.com | djangoproject.com

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