Hi Roy,

There's also a more recent thread on this:
https://groups.google.com/u/2/g/django-developers/c/CIPgeTetYpk

Tom

On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 at 18:00, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com> wrote:

> In the past, I've worked on a couple of django projects where we violated
> the:
>
> # SECURITY WARNING: keep the secret key used in production secret!"
>
>
> advice because on day one, somebody didn't know what we they were doing
> and never fixed it.  Looking around at a collection of django projects (by
> various developers), I see that's often the case.  SECRET_KEY, oauth keys,
> aws keys, etc all end up in settings.py files.  And show up in github, etc.
>
> This is not terribly surprising.  I expect most people just sit down with the
> tutorial
> <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.0/intro/tutorial01/#creating-a-project>,
> follow the first example:
>
> $ django-admin startproject mysite
>
>
> and instantly have a working, but insecure, setup.
>
> So, why not have startproject start people off on the right foot?  Build a
> settings.py file and a secret_settings.py file.  Put the SECRET_KEY in
> secrets.py.  Have settings.py do "from secret_settings import SECRET_KEY".
> Make secret_settings.py mode 0400 by default (or whatever that translates
> to on windows).  Print out a message telling people to exclude
> secret_settings.py from version control.
>
>
> As people add more secrets, they have a low-effort path to continuing to
> do something reasonable.  A more sophisticated user can tear that out and
> replace it with their own secrets infrastructure.  But, at least we will
> have started newbies off with something reasonable.
>
> I see this has been discussed before
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/django-developers/startproject%7Csort:date/django-developers/TtCyuDp4Exk/kk12ic7YCQAJ>,
> but I disagree with a lot of the opinions in that thread.  This wouldn't be
> forcing developers to do it any specific way.  It just provides a default
> that's better than the current default.  Expecting that newbies to follow
> best practices just because they're documented somewhere is irrational, as
> can be seen by perusing github.
>
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