On 16/05/2018 9:50 PM, Paolo Chilosi wrote:
It will be helpful to have a group/blog for Django beginner so we
could share problems and solution, maybe this group is geared for more
advance users.
I don't think so. All levels of user should come here. I wasn't trying
to split the community. Everyone is able to help someone. I was
delighted to see this morning a bunch of people with only a few weeks
exposure to Django helping an absolute beginner to find some tutorials.
More advanced users tend to focus on the more advanced problems and
that's the way it should be.
My thought when I started this thread was that we need a place to send
absolute beginners where they can be sure the community has endorsed
(probably the wrong word) the ab initio material such as tutorials and
books etc.
Maybe this is that place after all?
My afterthought was to see the official Django tutorial established as
working code for those people who learn by examining code rather than
reading docs.
That would be a task for someone who has recently picked up Django and
understands the sort of commenting such code needs for beginners.
What do you think?
Mike
On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 7:53:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
This list gets a lot of new people joining. They come from all
cultures
and degrees of general competence. And list members have always made
them welcome and try to help as much as possible.
I would say to beginners - without thinking too hard - that the best
place to begin is the excellent Django documentation. Read "Getting
started" https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/
<https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/> followed by "What
to read next"
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/whatsnext/
<https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/intro/whatsnext/>
However, there are many non-native-english speakers who find
reading any
documentation just one extra hurdle instead of an open gate. When
I see
such a request for help in getting started I admire the courage
displayed.
Maybe we need more than a standardised docs approach. Perhaps a wiki
would help to display stable advice for different groups of
beginners.
There have been some particularly illuminating threads in this list
revealing the merits of different beginner approaches. The Django
blog
might be a permanent location for such threads. Maybe there
already is a
spot for accumulated beginner wisdom?
There are lots of other resources and recent beginners are
probably the
most competent to advise.
I really don't know because I don't have much of a problem reading
docs.
And it is a while since I was a beginner.
Just thinking about this, the tutorial project might be valuable as a
real project frozen at a seriously simple level so that beginners can
browse the source and read the docstrings and comments. A comment in
code might also carry a link to the documentation. Beginners who have
trouble with documentation should still be able to figure out the
actual
code.
Mike
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