ive been an avid django user for about 2 years, using it exclusively for about 14 months or so, and one of my favorite things about the framework is the community its brought together. the django community can take great pride in being helpful, self-perpetuating, open, and thought to be one of the better communities of its kind on the web.
one of the best facets of this community (skipping all the fantastic blogs and groups and self-driven face-to-face meetups) is the #django room on freenode. for quite some time, its been a wonderful resource, stocked with hundreds of users (albeit most idle), some of whom are incredibly helpful at all hours of the day, while asking nothing in return. amazing! honestly, it really is something special. but. to all you absurdly helpful folks in #django who feel it necessary to cop a 'tude with an answer, dont forget: at one point, you had questions, and were grateful when you got a clear, thought-out answer from someone who didn't *have* to help you. however insightful and generous they may be, i see channel participants forget that its not ok to be a jerk while answering questions. its disappointing to see discussions between users where an answer cant be dealt without arrogance. im going to be really unfair for a moment and call Magus- on this: i stumbled upon a twitter feed someone set up that looks to log each instance of him saying "obviously" or "of course". this is something some co-workers and i have noticed and had a good laugh over, but almost 300 instances since jan 21? seriously? is there an irc client that appends sass to whatever your type? you can see the twitter feed http://twitter.com/obviouslymagus . and this little gem from yesterday (02/02/09) seems particularly unbecoming of the community: from http://botland.oebfare.com/logger/django/2009/2/2/29/: 22:35 myself12 Magus-: right now I have: "if request.method == 'POST':", "form = EventForm(request.POST, instance=query_list)", "form.save()". As far as I understand. this takes the submitted form and saves it, right? 22:35 Magus- duh 22:36 myself12 Magus-: sorry, http://dpaste.com/115896/ 22:36 Magus- and you're pasting this why? 22:37 myself12 Magus-: to hope you might help me clarify things 22:37 Magus- clarify what? 22:37 myself12 Magus-: I want to know how I have to change this, so I will save a new object, instead of saving to the old one 22:37 Magus- you stop giving it the instance, duh 22:38 myself12 so "form = EventForm(request.POST)" is enough? 22:38 Magus- to be add instead of edit? of course 22:38 Magus- as documented 22:39 myself12 Magus-: ok, great, will try it :) 22:39 racter why "duh" magus- ? if a certain solution isn't apparent to myself12 then it's obviously not a "duh" situation for them 22:39 Magus- racter: zip it 22:39 racter i don't understand you man the whole conversation stinks, and telling someone to "zip it" for reminding manners? really? i mean.. really?? thats just being a bully. if someone was a pro tech support agent, this discussion would result in termination. being in an irc channel voluntarily instead of on the phone w/ a customer isnt carte blanche to be an ass. there are certainly other people acting as such in varying degrees, and i only cite Magus- because of the twitter feed and django log entry being available to exemplify this pattern of behavior (god help me if ive started a flamewar.) granted that django has some of the most fantastic documentation. its incredibly thorough, and saves a lot of headaches, and for that people deserve to be reminded and even obliged. but, dont lose sight of the fact that not everyone reads every line, nor does every reader immediately understand each concept presented and covered by django at first, second, third, fouth, fifth, or tenth glance. sometimes it takes a real skull-pounding and a few attempts. two points and them im done: 1. patience is a virtue, and that axiom applies to *both* sides of the fence. 2. no one wants to or deserves to feel degraded when playing with or learning to use their shiny new toy, for any reason, period. take pride in helping them, not in that you know more than them. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
