How will we handle the ever-changing definition of "weak"?

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Alex Brotman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmarc <dmarc-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2022 10:27 PM
> To: dmarc@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Weak signatures
> 
> 
> 
> On October 26, 2022 11:56:31 PM UTC, Steven M Jones <s...@crash.com>
> wrote:
> >On 10/26/22 16:45, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote:
> >>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 3:48 AM, Douglas Foster
> <dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> Murray first raised the issue of weak signatures.
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> Weak results need to be part of the aggregate report so that domain
> owners understand the importance of moving from weak to strong signatures.
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> - DAMRC Evaluation does not exit upon finding an aligned and verified weak
> signature.   Instead, the result is noted but the evaluation continues in 
> hopes of
> finding an aligned and verified strong signature.
> >> Strong defined as the strength of the encryption algorithm (i.e., key 
> >> size).
> >
> >
> >And to be clear(er), any language talking about "strength" in terms of key 
> >size
> has to account for algorithm + key size, or you can get some incorrect 
> treatment
> of e.g. elliptical curve signatures.
> 
> If we need to define it, I'd say "weak" is anything that doesn't meet the
> requirements of RFC 8301 (RSA key length < 1024 bits or hash is SHA-1).  Any 
> RSA
> SHA-256 with a large enough key or any ed25519-SHA-256 (RFC 8463) is not
> weak.
> 
> No need to spend a lot of effort on this.
> 
> Scott K
> 
> Scott K
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