One thing I forgot to mention:

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 9:29 AM Wei Chuang <weihaw=
40google....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Our suggestion is that there is not a lot of value in including this
> language in the bis document if the likely outcome is that it will be
> ignored, and rather more effort should be placed with a technical solution
> for interop with mailing lists.
>

Absent a viable technical solution, I think the key thing should be the
correctness and appropriateness of the advice, not the likelihood that
people might choose to ignore it.

-MSK, participating
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