On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 16:06:29 David Nadlinger via dmd-internals wrote: > On 24 Jun 2014, at 2:43, Andrei Alexandrescu via dmd-internals wrote: > > If the contributor holding the copyright has a falling with D, they > > can do harm by suddenly changing license for their part of Phobos. I > > don't see any good for anyone out of this - only the right to damage D > > in the future if they so want. > > Wait, what?! > > To the best of my knowledge (I am not a lawyer, obviously), this fear is > rooted in a misunderstanding of how software licenses work. It is true > that somebody could leave D development, take the code they contributed > to Phobos and release a new version under a different license. However, > while it would obviously be sad to lose a contributor, it wouldn't > impact the project in the slightest, because they already granted us > permission to use their contributions under the Boost license. > > This issue seems to underlie all your arguments. Let's make sure we > agree on what can happen or not before continuing the discussion.
Yeah, once the code is out there, it's out there. It can't be taken back. The original author can change the copyright to something else (even making it proprietary) and then any future changes that they make would be under that new license only, but the previous version of the code would still be out there under the old license. It's not possible for us to lose any code that we already have under Boost. What we potentially risk losing is the ability to change the license, since that requires the permission of the copyright holder, so if we wanted to do something like switch to Boost 2 or LGPL or Grandma's Super License or whatever, we'd need to get permission. But the code itself is not at risk. Now, given that _all_ that Boost requires is that it retain the copyright notice, I _very_ much doubt that we'll ever need to change the license. This is the entire license: ------ Boost Software License - Version 1.0 - August 17th, 2003 Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person or organization obtaining a copy of the software and accompanying documentation covered by this license (the "Software") to use, reproduce, display, distribute, execute, and transmit the Software, and to prepare derivative works of the Software, and to permit third-parties to whom the Software is furnished to do so, all subject to the following: The copyright notices in the Software and this entire statement, including the above license grant, this restriction and the following disclaimer, must be included in all copies of the Software, in whole or in part, and all derivative works of the Software, unless such copies or derivative works are solely in the form of machine-executable object code generated by a source language processor. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, TITLE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS OR ANYONE DISTRIBUTING THE SOFTWARE BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. ------ It basically has no restrictions. So, unless we're worried about needing to add more restrictions later, there's probably not much point in worrying about needing to change the license. The one exception that I can think of is that IIRC, we had to assign the FSF copyright over the copy of the front-end for gdc in order to get it into gcc. And if we want to give someone else copyright over the code for some reason, we'd need to have copyright assignment to digital mars or some other entity that we control. So, dmd may need to continue to have copyright assigment for that reason. I don't know. But I very much doubt that we'll ever be looking to change licenses for druntime or Phobos unless they need to be given to the FSF for gcc for som reason, since Boost has no restrictions beyond requiring that the copyright be maintained. There literally isn't much in it that could be tweaked for a second version of the license, at least not without it being a very different license. - Jonathan M Davis _______________________________________________ dmd-internals mailing list [email protected] http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/dmd-internals
