On 6/24/14, 4:15 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 24 de June a las 15:55 me escribiste:
On 6/24/14, 3:32 PM, Leandro Lucarella via dmd-internals wrote:
If the copyright assignment requirement were well grounded, then maybe
it would be justified, but to require it just based on a potential
unknown and extremely unlikely fear seems pointless.
What seems pointless to me is this long and protracted discussion
around... around what? What or whom are we talking about protecting
here? It's not a practical matter, and it's not a matter of
principles. If protecting the copyright of one's work is high on
one's list of priorities, OSS is not the best place to be.
But your position is contradictory.
No. And this kind of sophism is the very kind of thing I'm hoping to not
exchange forever, yet look at us.
If you want to protect the software
to keep being free, then you need a proper organization, not a private
company, because as I said, same as people can disappear or change their
mind (yeah, even after 14 years), then companies or Gods like Walter
could too. If you are offering false protection at the price of
bureaucracy for contributors (is not about not wanting to cede the
rights ONLY), it doesn't sound very appealing.
It's not bureaucracy, and any "we should do X" without you putting skin
in the game I just tune out. I don't want to trust 100 people about the
future of D.
This is why any large groups organize themselves in institutions that
doesn't rely on individuals and have well defined constitutions or
missions.
If you think that's the right path, then go ahead and define an
organization. Again, if you say "we" should do so there's zero value in it.
Crap has happened before, among reasonable people, and in ways that
had not been predicted.
Exactly, so why crap couldn't happen with Walter or Digital Mars?
Again, I'd rather trust Walter to act in the interest of D than an
ill-defined collection of persons.
We don't have money. We don't have lawyers.
We don't want to spend time analyzing, projecting, estimating, or
speculating. We want to keep things simple and save everybody
involved complications while keeping everything as open as possible.
Then forget about copyright assignment, is an unneeded and expensive
hassle :)
The unneeded and expensive hassle is this.
This very discussion is a huge waste of time wanking over nothing.
What the heck are we even _talking_ about, folks?
Apparently requiring copyright assignment for any contribution.
Honestly, I think I will have a hard time convincing my bosses to cede
their right over the code they are paying me to produce. VERY hard to
sell.
Sociomantic-copyrighted code in the D compiler in addition to
DigitalMars-copyrighted code doesn't seem like the more the merrier to me.
Andrei
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