Very much agreed.

Also, distributed solutions can be concentrated as deployment needs dictate 
using layer 2 means, as is done often in many present networks.

can't do the opposite with centralized solutions without a whole lot of 
acrobatics.

"J" Kim
AT&T Labs - Research
http://sites.google.com/site/macsbug/

On May 17, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Peter McCann wrote:

> We shouldn't require all the traffic to pay the price of centralization
> just because some small subset of the flow need it.  LI should be a very
> small proportion of the traffic, and those flows can be directed to a
> collection point as needed.  If you really need per-flow, per-application
> charging, you can send meta-information about the flows to a charging
> collection box.  No need to send the flows themselves.
> 
> -Pete
> 
> 
> Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
>> 
>>> Distributed solution: Take IP traffic directly from access router to
>>> the Internet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Counter argument.
>> 
>> 
>> It implies, LI, Charging, DPI Šetc on each of the distributed nodes.
>> Implies more "CAPEX and OPEX" ?
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not against distributed models and 6909 is the proof point. But,
>> IMO, it will hard to draw relation to cost models, based on traffic
>> exit points. You may need mobility hierarchy in the network for "n"
>> number of reasons and a centralized models for "m" number of reasons.
>> It more about deployment choice, dependent on many parameters.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sri
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/29/13 5:29 AM, "Alper Yegin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>> 
>>> No, it should be less.
>>> 
>>> Distributed solution: Take IP traffic directly from access router to
>>> the Internet.
>>> Centralized solution: Take IP traffic from access router to a core
>>> router to the Internet.
>>> 
>>> The latter suggests more CAPEX and OPEX.
>>> 
>>> Alper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 3:44 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Alper,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with your point, but it means that the total cost of the
>>>> distributed solution is even more expensive.... right?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Charlie P.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/26/2013 12:56 AM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> - It is claimed that a centralized architecture requires more
>>>>>> resources
>>>>>> than a distributed architecture.  This is usually false.  For
>>>>>> instance, if a centralized node requires 100 units, and 100
>>>>>> distributed nodes each require 1.03 units, the distributed
>>>>>> architecture requires 3 more units overall.
>>>>> This would be true for tasks that can be performed either on the
>>>>> distributed node or on the central node.
>>>>> But the essential task for DMM systems, IP forwarding, is not of
>>>>> that nature.
>>>>> In centralized architecture, that task needs to be performed
>>>>> *both* at the edge node and also at the central node (and in fact
>>>>> even in
>>>>> between) before the packets hit the Internet/mobile device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Even so, the additional expense of the distributed architecture
>>>>>> would often be a bargain for reasons of redundancy, resiliency,
>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alper
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Charlie P.
>>>> 
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